Rapamycin and hgh

John Mcgough great, I’ve been taking HGH for about a year straight now with regular hormone blood panels and I’m curious as to the synergy of these two.

MAC I've seen that too. A doc client quasi buddy however (65'ish) swears by it. His vertical is extremely competitive however...I guess. I don't think he's considering long term. Makes him feel 20 again - cognitively. Though, he's got a daily supplement and prescription sheet that would make google sheets freeze.

John Mcgough Thanks, John.  My plan would be to continue the HgH & DHEA, probably with a protocol as you are doing. Per Blagosklonny theory, which Green subscribes to, mTOR controls growth (as in HgH, protein, etc.) and just continues into aging, & then death.  We all realize this entire field -- even allopathic medicine -- is mostly experimental, but I suspect that high HGH, DHEA, T, has something to make the 20-30 year old in top shape, with no sign of degenerative disease, and it is the weaker immune system in later years, that permits accumulation of senescent cells, & related SASPs.  I think the F+Q & Rapa will handle that, so that HGH, DHEA, will once again be fully productive for we 70+ year olds.

Bruce B Hi, Bruce -- Often wonder if anybody notices various messages!  Actually I've probably been taking HgH for > 25 years.  I started with Dr. Sam Baxas, now deceased, via a Youth Rejuvenation Program, originally discussed / promoted? by Life Extension Institute.  The program included HgH, high DHEA, and I went through an initial round, repeated a few times over the years, of "live Cell" therapy, technically bio-modulators.

The HgH dosage / protocol changed over the years.  I think I also started with maybe 1,000 mg DHEA daily, but reduced that to 200-400 many years ago.  I still take 100-300, as some evidence helps with allergies & other conditions.  I've never found current holistic recommendations of 25-50 to work for me.

Not sure I recall initial HgH, but probably 2-3 iu. It changed from taking at bedtime,  twice daily, to just in morning, etc.  The past few years I mostly take 1/2 - 1 i.u. early in morning.  Both my IGF-1 levels & DHEA-S have always tested considerably above the upper range, but remember that the ranges are not only established from "averages" of generally unhealthy people, but are also "age appropriate."  Years ago LEF suggested one put age as about 20-30 for blood tests, so the ranges would be adjusted more to optimal.  These days they use DOB for ID, so at age 74 I'm compared to similar group.  My testosterone has also been very high, which I assume is due to HgH & DHEA (perhaps other items,) but I've never taken T injections.

I'm heavier (now 195) than 25 years earlier, but at least some of that was knowing I was taking HgH & DHEA & started a resistance weight-training program.  I consciously wanted to add muscle, which we know weights more than fat.  Eating properly before & after exercise, helps to add muscle mass.

Not to present an inaccurate picture, at 195 I'd like to lose 15 pounds, which I understand will be accomplished with Rapamycin.  Despite all the press re HgH, I doubt it ever hugely reduced my weight. And my exercise for years was mostly weight resistance, rather than cardio, where more weight would be lost/maintained.   I still use some weights -- mostly block dumbbells, several times during the day (I've worked for myself, trading financial markets, for at least past 20 years.)

I'm still 6 foot tall, although probably lost 1/2 " over the years.  I've never found anyplace where height measurement is super accurate.  I have had trouble with herniated disc, which perhaps ironically, occurred while reaching for a large dumbbell 20 years ago.  I've treated holistically, & do some spinal decompression (at MD or chiro,) every few years.  My hair would not be a good measure, as I was mostly bald by age 20, a few years before my holistic awakening.  That may be caused by genetic DHT levels.

I've never associated with many  people, and now not with older people.  But from occasional meetings, & hear-say, I don't think I have the usual issues of others my age. I've taken mega vits + DHEA + HgH, + misc other approaches over many years, & I've never once been able to associate any benefit -- or pain, etc, -- to any particular item.

I'm also a long-time advocate / user of sauna (at least weekly, for 40 years;) hundreds of holistic IV; for 10+ years, ozone therapy, PEMF, and for 40 years pretty much used distilled water, both for drinking, & perhaps more impt, for washing/bathing (whole house reverse osmosis system.)  Very possible that 1-2 infra-red saunas weekly, esp past 10 years, has provided the most benefits, re detox, stimulating T cells, endorphins, etc.  Jury still out.

I can't credit HgH, but I don't take any Rx meds, although use natural alternatives: Red Yeast Rice (statins,) white willow bark (aspirin,)  etc  It is possible that HgH, & high DHEA, has either caused or promoted my likely prostate cancer.  I say "likely," because the only "official" allopathic confirmation is with a biopsy and Gleason score.  I would not do a biopsy as I think enough evidence that it at least promotes cancer.  I've only treated CaP holistically, for 10 years, but I think both F+Q, & after I start Rapamycin, that will remedy the cancer.

I've taken metformin on and off over the years.  Ward Dead had put me on phenformin perhaps 25 yea ago, but when removed from market, I found metformin.  Thanks for info re met & Rapa, re blood sugar.  Not sure what "high" means, nor for how long, etc., but will check it out.

I have not done any epigenetic testing.  Generally, over the years, whether that or telomere testings, etc, the promise is more than deliverables.  But science changes, which is how/why I've come to Rapamycin.

Regards,

John Mcgough Yes, brother-in-arms!  I do have the Mas Mat, not Bemer, but probably similar.  My mat has hundreds of pre programmed treatments for various conditions.  I've never found the Rife arguments sufficient, but many routes possible.

I'm familiar with Gerson, and in fact I have the juicer they recommended / sold for years, that I would like to sell, mostly because I eat organic Paleo.

Just saw your additional message:  I'm familiar with Poly MVA; even gave it to my dog with melanoma probably 20 years ago.  I also used GcMAF injectables (for my wife whom had colon cancer.)  Also familiar with probably 100-200 natural substances for various cancers protocols (artemisinin, high C IVs, Equol, etc.)

I'm a big fan of ozone / oxygen therapies.

I grew-up on Long Island - oddly, not that far from Dr. Green's office -- but after some time living in NYC, spent 30+ years outside of Princeton, NJ.  I did however take 1 1/2 years, circa late 1990s, & live in Petaluma, Sonoma County, CA,then back to NJ. Affter 10+ years in FL (Sarasota, Clearwater,) moved few months ago to outside Atlanta.

John Mcgough Interesting re bone barrow cancer since 1980s.  I assume approached holistically?  Gerson, means mostly juicing?  Multi vits?  High D?  What do you think helped you avoid the "terminal" prognosis?

Whether MDs, or holistic sites, or even this anti-aging site, rarely is diet discussed, yet is super impt.  For all cancers, I think organic Keto is best; organic Paleo next.

Also, nobody talks about liquids.  Far too many dangerous chemicals in city / county water systems to maintain health, no less try to remedy a cancer, for instance.  And while drinking distilled solves part of the problem, one actually absorbes more of the chemicals via washing / bathing.

Regards,