Fisetin experimentation one year (reposted as topic for info purposes)
Hello everyone I wanted to make my first post here as I have been doing a fisetin routine for a year now just about and I have results that are not placebo and very profound. I honestly do not know if this is the senylotic effect or some kind of interaction with fisetin in other ways.
To get it out of the way, I will give the fast and short version. I am taking Swanson’s Fisetin. I take around 2g a day for 3 days( now 2.5g). I repeat this for 3 or 4 times with varying intervals (I was trying to find optimal intervals).
My my first regimen was 3 days treatment with a 2 week delay, then a 3 week delay, then a 4 week delay, then a 2 month delay. I am now convinced a 3 week delay is the minimal amount of time you want taking this the way I am, though I will continue with 4 week delay for safety sake and because of my own observations.
So results. Well I feel like this must play on hormone levels in the short term. Immediately after starting a 3 day regimen, usually on day 2 or 3 I feel strong as hell. In particular my legs are tight and super strong. My muscles in general are firmer and overall strength is amazing. My mind is clear, thinking concise anddynamic. I feel more dominant, self confident, and aggressive. Libido is enhanced as well. This all led me to believe that this acts as a testosterone mimic or elevates testosterone in the blood which is why I cycle monthly and then take a few months off every so often.
i can tell you that at the age of 43 this makes me legitimately remember what early 20s feels like. The effects of one 3 day regimen last strongly for 2 weeks and even on for 4 weeks. In particular during week one and two I was amazed at the amount of pure emotion and clarity of the world around me. I could hear and appreciate sounds and colors seemed more vibrant. Mentally I am on overdrive with super memory and crystal clear logical thinking. I remember the first time I took this I was shocked. I was in a cafe just looking at a coke I had bought in a glass amazed at how more real and present it looked. A small thing but it was profound just how the world seemed more alive. It literally felt like going back in time 20 years.
So for long term effects. A stronger posture, better muscle tone, improved gum health, vastly more energy, in fact this has become all the norm after around 8 months of this. Many of the effects I described in the first two weeks following a 3 day regimen do taper off to an extent, but never completely.
As far as side effects there has not been anything thus far. When you are taking the 3 day dose you might get amped up a little jittery but that gives way quickly after the last dosage and it normalizes into a even effect that is positive in nature. I was very concerned about hair loss as I could not believe how impactful this was. But I have noticed no hair loss at all. I cycle it with a 3 or 4 week break to ensure that there is no negative effect on hair or otherwise. With a two week interval I had some scalp itchiness. That was enough to back me off to to four week intervals.
I honestly think that most of what I experienced is not the senylotic effect. It’s way too fast and profound. But I have no ill effects and feel incredible. And overall I have a youthful vigor and look and feel younger. I think a senylotic evaluation, as far as a laymen just observing himself goes ,can only really be done after 2 years or so. However the initial results ( especially gum health) and from what else I can observe are overwhelmingly positive.
I can tell you that this does have an affect and it is profound and noticeable. How much of this is hormone I do not know. But I have other improved health as well, however it’s always tricky to quantify this objectively yourself sometimes.
Good luck on your experiments. Let me know if this has the same effect for you. I just bought Swanson’s with nouvestein. Nothing fancy. Cheap and on amazon.
As I have noticed from reading forums for years, there are significant differences in how people respond to the same substance or drug. It is rather astounding! Some drugs have shown comments that range from "really worked great for me" to "the worst thing I ever took". I guess that is why we are all here reporting results of our experiments. I wonder how much of this is due to the placebo effect. I have read that in some people/cases long lasting improvement for a certain condition (such as knee pain) can be as high as 50% using just a placebo. This is true even if people were told beforehand that it was just a placebo!!
That is just weird.
There was great story on NPR about this in the past month or so. Can't find it now.
Paul, I agree on discounting most of those instant effects as placebo.
Just read more on Life Extensions's new product, bio-available fisetin. They claim the human digestive tract converts fisetin into a useless form and that some manufacturer has discovered that a natural fiber extract from the herb fenugreek prevents this. The study is not published yet and is written by the manufacturer:
Akay. A cross over pilot pharmacokinetic study of fisetin 1000mg and formulated fisetin 200mg administered in a single dose to healthy volunteers. Manufacturer’s study (in press for future publication) . 2020.
David C Not only is fisetin a senolytic but it also acts as an MTor inhibitor.
So this may explain the profound effects you are getting beyond what may be explained from strictly senolytic activity.
Not sure how it compares to rapamycin in its ability to inhibit mtor but it would be an interesting study to compare them.
Have you tried rapamycin to compare the effects?
Inhibition of Akt/mTOR signaling by the dietary flavonoid fisetin
Fisetin regulates obesity by targeting mTORC1 signaling
studies have suggested that fisetin inhibits mTOR activity through direct binding
So, my 2 day of 1.5g of bulk fisetin extract, 98% from cotinus, Chinese origin. Yellow-brown powder.
Tried the buttermilk, yes, it dissolves quite well, after waiting 1.5hr and some occasional stirring.
I am 33 years old, with hypertension and on valsartan.
During the first day, no side fx noted. Blood pressure systolic around 7-9 units lower than usual hour after taking it, dia 5-6 lower, so no significant interaction.
A bit up and hard to fall asleep, but can be placebo.
On the next day, notably more stamina and energy, very energetic and active physically. Like on caffeine. A bit elevated pulse. Definitely not a placebo, as I've experimented with some other substances which claim energy boost, no such result there.
Did not notice any dry mouth or anything of a sort.
Will continue for two more days.
As I am relatively young, senolytic effect was not a main priority, but mainly - chemopreventive (I am a smoker), improving heart condition and overall health, have some bowel issues. Also, a bit of rejuvenation expected as well, as after 30, you anyway start notice some aging effects.
So I will add one more thing. My sugar cravings have completely vanished. I was eating a lot of sweets routinely. And it was noticeable early on but I never gave it much thought. However I don't crave sweets anymore. And my health overall has improved. I think I had the beginnings of diabetes. And this stuff got rid of a lot of the senescent cells that are postulated to cause diabetes.