Rapamycin Cost

Let me clear some things up for people considering rapamycin (generic sirolimus).  I am taking it and so are my dogs!!  (I have a very open-minded vet who trusts my judgement.)

Dr. Green, a very impressive individual, gave me my personal prescription for sirolimus.  I have a very good PPO (Blue Cross/Blue Shield).  I took it to CVS, the affiliated pharmacy, and got a great price of about $2.90/mg.  (Remember, you are only going to take about 3-6 mg/week.)  With a PPO you can probably do this also.  CVS wants to meter it to you with a month's worth of doses at a time, but that's just how they do things.  You still have access to the full quantity prescribed. 

With the prescription from my vet for my dogs, I was forced to take to the open sea.  Armed with only a prescription and no insurance, the picture is quite different, but you can still get a good price.  Cutting to the chase, I ended up at Walmart.  The prescription was for 90 mg - price $1440.  But wait! after presenting a coupon downloaded from GoodRX (that's right, just anonymously downloaded and printed) - price $396!!!!  As my vet remarked, that's a hell of a charge for not looking around first!  ($4.40/mg is better than taking a risk buying online, in my opinion.)  Costco is pretty close to that price.  At CVS/RiteAid, etc., you will pay vastly more.

You can't touch the original drug rapamune (Pfizer) unless you are wealthy or go to Canada.  The problem with the online pharmacies is that a lot of them are scams.  Just because they have a website doesn't mean anything.  At least check to see if they have a brick and mortar location.  Example: At one point I was excited by the online infomercials and wanted to take NMN instead of NR; however, when I looked up the reputations of the suppliers only one was unsullied, and on further investigation their brick and mortar location turned out to be a residential dwelling!

FYI, more than one company makes sirolimus.  From CVS the sirolimus was made by Greenstone, LLC, apparently a wholly owned subsidiary of Pfizer.

Hope that helps some people who are considering rapamycin but think it might be out of their reach.  If you know a doctor, great, but if you don't a visit to Dr. Green is worth the trip, and I live in CA!  (round trip less than $300)  Do your homework first and you will learn a great deal.

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  • I've been searching for this kind of medical expertise in advance of my current physician who is retiring. When I submitted my information I got a message that says "processing". Its been over 5 minutes and its still processing. Is there another route to reach you?

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      chuck stanley Best to try again on the Age Reversal Network web site.  Try a few different times, some days there's exceptional traffic or maintenance.

      https://age-reversal.net/age-management-telehealth-updates/ 

      But if that still doesn't work, send an email to AgeMgmtTelehealthPhysicians@gmail.com or call me at 949-922-9786

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    • JohnnyAdams thanks, yes we already emailed and I live in Maryland so I  understand I'm not eligible at this time.

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  • I am reporting on the sad conclusion of my Sirolimus aquisition adventure. As some of you remember from my posts about 2-3 months ago, I ordered 10g Sirolimus for roughly 190USD and 1g dasatininb for also about 190USD from a Chinese company: Zhejiang Multinpharma Co., Ltd. The contact there was a "Rene" (rene@multin.cn). Took 200mg "dasatinib" powder over 2 days once and 6mg "Sirolimus" powder for the last 9 weeks (plus a face sirolimus face cream). Finally this week I got my blood tested for sirolimus at a German reference lab.

    This Monday at 7am, I took 6mg sirolimus (600mg of a 1:100 dilution, carefully prepared, of the pure powder). At 9.30 am at roughly peak blood concentrations according to earlier studies, blood was withdrawn. Today, I got the result: <1µg/l (ng/ml). Basically not detectable Sirolimus levels in my blood.

    I will discard all of the powder that Zhejian Multinpharm sent and tick it off as an important learning. No need for you to repeat this costly learning, that's why I am sharing this. Will have to look for an Indian supplier. chuck stanley - you will also be interested in this...:-)

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    • Chris Los That is extremely disappointing!  From a 6mg dose I would have expected at least 24ng/ml.

      Thanks for sharing that information. In retrospect I believe the reps at Zhejiang Multinpharma served as middlemen, so the others of us who purchased from Zhejiang may or may not have been duped.  It may depend on the agent as to which supplier's product is traded. (in my case, and those who recommended Zhejiang to me, our agent was "Rainbow").

      In any event I will stop using my powder until I can get around to testing. And for the heck of it I may contact "Rainbow" about this to see if she wants to offer any explanation. 

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      Chris Los I regret your very bad experience. Thanks for sharing this valuable information. I will certainly avoid Zhejiang Multinpharma Co., Ltd. You may want to share this experience with https://www.rapamycin.news/ . The more we can share information about reliable and unreliable companies the better for all of us.

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  • Chris Los/Stanley. I can report the same experience.

    My first sourcing foray into Rapamycin was with http://rapamycin.store/. This was referenced as a reputable outfit out of Australia, selling 4mg capsules. Very professional packaging, both the bottle and customs avoiding labelling (Rapa-Taurine). Cost approx 1 USD/mg landed. And I also understand why they only took bitcoin as payment, yet again, to avoid regulators. On the surface, seemed like a ton of effort to sell a fraudulent product? I had good technical support in my dosing (pre lab Sirolimus blood testing) phase.

    After reading the Rapamycin pharmacokinetics literature (https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/S0009-9236(97)90192-2), learned that to capture Cmax peak, would require blood sampling within 30 mins-2hrs. To increase the chances of getting a positive signal, I designed a blood sampling experiment with full GFJ protocol (prior night intake, and AM prior to blood sampling). I drew baseline fasted AM blood as time = zero, consumed whole GFJ, then waited 60 mins, then took 8mg capsules, then sampled blood at 30, 60, 90, 120 minutes. All time stamp lab results came back as <2 µg/l (ng/ml), when it should have caught a level 10+.

    I shared the results with provider, they were dumfounded to explain, but re-assured they were 100% legitimate providers of a certified Rapamycin product, but could not explain away my experiment. One of their principals was going to do their own personal n=1 Sirolimus blood experiment to replicate, but as of time of writing (my experiment conducted Sept 1, 21), I have had NO response to explain my results. So I abandoned them.

    What is interesting though, is that my liver (GGT, ALP, ALT) and kidney markers (eGFR, Uric Acid), noticeably improved after I started on this Rapamycin source. Much of the recent blood DNA methylation literature has been focused on liver/kidney correlations.

    Did I run a flawed experiment in someway? 

    I am expecting 2 gm powder from WuHan Hengheda  Pharm Co.,Ltd any day, a provider that has been independently lab verified (multiple occasions) by another poster.

    Will have the sample tested for Rapamycin, and if verified, will repeat same experiment shortly, and will report back.

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      MAC. Please keep us informed about WuHan Hengheda.  This company is on my list of possibly reliable, but I'm still investigating.  

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      MAC. thanks a lot for sharing. fingers crossed for the new shipment. pls do share blood results from the WuHan sirolimus. grateful for the intel! good luck

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  • Hi MAC i have also used the same supplier and they informed me that due to customer feedback about blood levels (must have been yours) that they have created a new formulation which is absorbed subcutaneously.   I have just received my first order in this form and will be trying it this evening.

    http://rapamycin.store/transdermal-rapamycin-cream

     

    They also sell D&Q and I have found them to be reliable if a bit slow.

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      Vega Rejuvinated Are you buying this transdermal product for internal systemic mTOR modification or simply for topical skin anti-aging benefit? I assume you are looking for systemic, since you made reference to your interest in vendor offering cream as "replacement" for capsules.

      The vendor makes the following claim:

      "Transdermal delivery is a perfect way to deliver Rapamycin into the body as it bypasses the digestive system which can breakdown rapamycin. This type of delivery is used to deliver such treatments as hormone replacement therapy. Transdermal cream will deliver Rapamycin into circulation through the skin...which bypasses any absorption issues"

      There are NO scientific references/data to support their product claims. They take extreme license by equating their cream with HRT cream systemic efficacy. 

      The key is "into the body", which appears to be equating bioavailability similar to traditional oral route. 

      Some digging on topical/transdermal cream Rapamycin dosing formulations. 

      This study of topical Rapamycin:

      "Topical Rapamycin reduces markers of senescence and aging in human skin: an exploratory, prospective, randomized trial"

      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11357-019-00113-y

      utilized a 0.001% concentration, and no results/discussion in relation to any measurable levels of blood Sirolimus.

      This study

      "Efficacy and Safety of Topical Rapamycin in Patients With Facial Angiofibromas Secondary to Tuberous Sclerosis Complex: The TREATMENT Randomized Clinical Trial"

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29800048/

      utilizes a topical Rapamcyin for Facial Angiofibromas Secondary to Tuberous Sclerosis Complex (TSC), at two dosing regiments, 0.1% and 1%. These are orders of magnitude more concentrated than the study above for anti-aging skin rejuvenation.

      As for dosing, "Patients were provided the experimental product and instructed to apply 1 pump (1.0 mL) of product at bedtime to areas designated at the time of enrollment for 6 months."

      So 1.0mL of the highest 1% concentration cream would deliver 10mg of Rapamycin to a very localized TSC area (in this study, facial)

      What is most notable in this study "Serum Rapamycin was assessed in patient blood samples by immunoassay (lower limit of detection <0.5 ng/mL). Initially, blood samples were collected monthly from all patients.  After Rapamycin was not detected in the first several hundred samples, monthly blood sampling was discontinued" So even daily dosing of 1% concentration did not deliver any systemic Rapamycin.

      From my brief read of the the topical Rapamycin literature for human application, there is NO intention to deliver systemic wide detectable levels of Rapamycin akin to oral dosing. There is no FDA approved use of topical Rapamycin for any SYSTEMIC disease. https://www.drugs.com/pro/sirolimus.html#s-34067-9

      Now back to Rapamycin.store transdermal cream product and the "into the body" Rapamycin delivery claim.

      Vendor claims 120 mg in a 20ml of "transdermal cream". Assume the cream has the room temperature density of DSMO (1.1 g/cm3). So 120mg in 20 ml (22g) is equivalent to approximately 0.55% Rapamycin cream solution. Vendor also instructs "apply the desired amount to freshly washed and dried skin once weekly"

      Now clearly from the Topical Rapamycin/TSC study above, there was NO RAPAMYCIN DETECTED at 1% cream concentration on DAILY dosing? So why would a 0.55% Rapamycin cream applied ONCE WEEKLY deliver systemic, blood detectable levels of Rapamycin? Even daily dosing would not produce blood detectable levels.

      It would appear this vendor has replaced one unproven product with yet another.

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      MAC. very much agree with this! Keep in mind that Sirolimus is routinely used orally in organ transplant patients at around 2mg per day. Blood levels in steady state are around 4-10 ng/ml. 

      If our 6mg dosis measured at peak levels after ingestion (around 2 hours) does not show up in blood tests, this has nothing to do with absorption but everything with the nature of the substance! No sirolimus in the blood - no sirolimus in the powder or pill that you took. 

      Too many companies are feeding on our desperate efforts to get the magic pill...:-) Any changes in generic blood parameters then become a self-fulfilling prophecy...

      Sometimes science is simple - if there is no sirolimus in the blood then you did not take sirolimus. 

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  • Thanks for the update. I haven't researched much this means of delivery, although yes, it does bypass gastric issues. The fact they abandoned oral capsules should be a signal to anyone taking oral Rapamycin outside a clinical setting...unless you do a blood test, it's hard to confirm the same pharmacokinetics of published scientific studies.

    Do you have any references on pharmacokinetics of this route of administration? I also wonder how grapefruit juice might impact this modality, as CYP3A4 is expressed in both liver and intestines, and I assume transdermal goes directly to the liver, bypassing gastric?

    This may be a "better" way (certainly very convenient, and not much more expense than their capsules per mg) AND possibly higher bioavailability per mg dosed compared to oral, which without GFJ, is typically less than 15%. Notwithstanding, transdermal in no way dismisses the long and proven history of oral administration and efficacy of clinical Rapamycin. Buying powder and self compounding also has a significant economic savings benefit although requiring some effort (but superior transdermal bioavailability might mitigate cost advantage of powder),

    Would love for you to run a Sirolimus blood experiment and share findings, or any other symptomatic/blood marker results. Do you track your blood markers regularly, so you can possibly visualize impact of the cream?

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  • Hi MAC I haven’t run any blood tests so far but I could easily do so.  What markers would be interesting to follow?

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      Vega Rejuvinated Need a baseline reference panel, and then another after the Rapamycin dosing (assuming no other dietary/med/supplement changes, controlling for just Rapamycin). Not sure how long you should wait after you start dosing for the next panel. You need to allow for the full half life cycle build up, and your body to adjust to the Rapamycin. Maybe couple months? Also monitor your weight.

      What is your dosing plan?

      As for blood panel:

      Sirolimus (preferably a multi blood draw every 30 mins for 2 hrs post dose)

      Lipids

      CBC

      Glucose

      hbA1c

      hsCRP

      eGFR

      Albumin

      Creatinine

      Albumin/Creatinine

      Uric Acid

      ALT

      ALP

      GGT

      Ferritin

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  • The price is good, but is it just me, or does something seem not quite right about what I am hearing about rapamycin.store?

    Mac tests less than 10% of what I would have expected in terms of blood level of sirolimus from an 8 mg dose, yet individual organ markers show noticeable improvement. How could that be?

    Then manufacturer is dumbfounded and tells him they will run a test and get back with the results but never do?

    They then promote a transdermal cream explaining that it was created because customers have complained about sirolimus blood levels from their oral capsules. Meanwhile they still sell the capsules.

    It doesn’t add up yet.

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  • MAC Here is some thoughts on the Wuhan HengHeda Pharm Co. that you ordered from:

    I would stay away from this company. Lots of red flags!

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      Chris Los China commerce works in many dark and mysterious ways; middlemen, resellers, traders, etc. It definitely appears "shady" to western governance standards.

      This vendor was vetted (by repeated 3rd party Rapamycin testing) by another poster.

      I have a local, low cost lab to do a Rapamycin analysis to confirm veracity. Only then will I proceed with bioavailability experimentation. 

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    • MAC. Glad ol USA commerce is always upstanding and operates in best interest of all. No shady operatives here.

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  • Thanks, everyone, for this invaluable thread.

    I will soon be running an N=1 experiment on myself comparing blood levels of sirolimus after taking, in sequence, with at least a two-week wash-out period between each test, under fixed conditions (exact same meals, meal timing, etc.), the following:

    - Day 1. Take Rapamune. Test blood levels X hours later.
    - Day 15. Take US generic rapamycin. Test.... ""
    - Day 29. Take IAS's RapaPRO. Test.... ""

    Not sure yet about the X. I'm thinking 24 would be best. Measuring early, at say the expected time of peak plasma levels (2 or so hours) would be useful, but possibly inconvenient (given my schedule), and difficult to time with the needed precision. If, for one test, if it ended up being 3 hours post-dosing instead of 2, that would screw up the results more than if it ended up being 25 hours instead of 24.

    Brian

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      BrianMDelaney community experimentation, love it! thanks for that Brian, this test design will provide an important piece of the puzzle. 

      24h after taking a dose should still conveniently put you in the 4-10ng/ml range that standard tests will pick up (based on pharmacokinetics studies with 2.5mg sirolimus). 

      good luck and thanks a lot!

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      BrianMDelaney , Have you had time to complete this test.  I am very interested in the results.  Thanks.

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    • Jay Orman Hi Jay. No, it's going to be a while, unfortunately. I've been doing other experiments, plus, now I'm out of the US for a month without access to the LabCorp sirolimus/rapamycin blood test.

      I will definitely report on the results as soon as I have them! Depending on my travel, I would estimate I'll have the results by the end of June.

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  • The response from my rep at Zhejiang Multinpharma regarding negligible rapamycin in Chris Los's blood test: "boss, for Rapamycin we provide is for chemical research not for eating..."

    Of course that is a non sequitur explanation of why 6g of 99% pure rapa powder didnt show up in peak level blood test.

    I would really like to know if any of the other customers of Zhejiang Multinpharma have tested themselves or the products. 

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      chuck stanley very sad, my rep was also very defensive and even accused me that I ruined their PayPal account (they used the term dasatinib for the transaction and that got supposedly picked up by PayPal...I never used the term). I have had it with Chinese trading companies like Zhejiang and also HengHeDa - another Wuhan based trading company selling substances that they can never produce themselves. 

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    • Chris Los I posted the experience on rapamycin.news. 

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    • Chris Los 

      Did you throw away all your “rapamycin” powder? I guess I should toss what I still have left in my freezer.

      Recently I was looking for a cheaper source of Ca-AKG, something pharmaceutical grade. I got a good price from another Chinese company and it looked like they were a manufacturer, Xi’an Bioholdern Industry and Trade Co. They sent me a COA which was ostensibly for the Ca-AKG quoted to me. Get this: they cleverly altered an official COA for Calcium Acetate Lactate and changed the heading and CAS number to that of Ca-AKG. It certainly looked authentic, but they forgot to change the chemical formula and molecular weight!

      I see people on this forum still boldly moving ahead to buy powders from Chinese companies. I too would like a better price for MNM or AKG or spermidine.  But Brin Chikovski was so right, “ I would only order product from China if you plan to have a third party lab test done when it is received - a lab that tests purity, and for common possible contaminants.”

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      chuck stanley amazing! thanks for sharing. and yes, yesterday I disposed off all of my  diluted rapa. It would have served me for 10 years if only it were the real thing. I keep a sample of the raw powder they sent in the freezer. Perhaps one day I am able to access a lab test...

      So, let not greed turn us into desperate fools. no more orders from China. Will order generic tablets from India instead. 

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  • Hello folks,

    @chris_los @chuck_stanley @mac2, very sorry to hear about your experiences.

    Chris & Chuck, $80 or even $190 for 10g seemed suspiciously cheap compared to what most folks have paid, but I didn’t want to give you bad luck by disparaging a source without justification.

    Given the controversy around suppliers I thought I would share my experience to show not all sources from China are fraudulent.

    Last summer I ordered 10g from Wuhan Henheda Pharm, based on @steve_roedde positive comments and his friend’s unintended assay by Canadian customs :) --

    https://forum.age-reversal.net/t/63jmdc?r=p8hffp6

     

    I wrote-up my experience ordering and receiving it here --

    https://forum.age-reversal.net/t/63jmdc?r=p8hkxwg

     

    I never had an assay or blood work done, but my experience suggests it is absolutely legit.

    I had over-exerted and hurt my knee on a hike a year before. After 11 months it still had not gotten back to normal. I also had a weird weakness in my left wrist (literally hurt to press my hand to my face while washing it at the sink) and in my right elbow (would get a sharp, shooting pain from doing pull-ups). After about 4 or 5 weeks all my joint pain was gone. For the knee especially it was unmistakable, every night for 11 months it would get stiff and have a dull ache in the morning. Also, my range of motion was reduced such that I could only bend my knee to bring my heel 4 inches from my butt. Now the pain was gone and I had full range of motion, heel to butt. It was like magic!

    My wife and I began taking 10mg/week in June. By the November, I felt safe sharing it with my parents. I had told them it helped my knee, but that was all I really mentioned. I said they should take 10mg/week and see what happens.

    At Christmas we were talking on the phone (we live on opposite sides of the country) and I asked how the rapamycin was working. At first they were kind of meh, not sure, but then as I probed a little more my mother mentioned the pain in her left knee had gone away. She was a school bus driver and working a clutch pedal for years and years had given her arthritis in her knee which she’d just come to live with and accept. She took glucosamine with chondrotin, but it didn’t solve the problem. It just took the edge off the worst of the symptoms. So here she was, after four or five weeks the arthritis she’d been living with for some 20 years was gone. Magic!

    The acute condition with my knee, which is what prompted me to take a chance on some unknown powder from China is solved. Likewise for my mother, which I hadn’t even thought about when I sent some to them to try. Hallelujah for that! Worth every penny at twice the price, which to be honest I would have gladly paid if I knew it was guaranteed to work.

    On the other hand, the lesser, chronic conditions of aging: grey hair, hair on my ears, faint age spots on the back of my wife’s hands, I can’t say that I have noticed any improvements. The stuff that is easy to definitively measure has not reversed after 9 months. I had 1 or 2 grey eye brows last year and now I’d have to say I have 3 or 4. A few long, fine hairs coming out of my tragus are still there. My wife’s hands still have faint age spots on them. I’m 49 and my wife is 48. She is pre-menopause, but the average age of menopause is 52, so it’s too early to say whether it is or will make a difference for her.

    Hope folks find this useful.

    Steve, I owe you a beer. And a steak dinner.

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      Liam_Cohen happy to hear that you observe positive health-related developments - whatever the causal mechanisms involved is. However, concluding the your Sirolimus is legit is not appropriate. Given the strong positive expectation bias, only a blood test or a chemical test of the raw material counts as evidence. Even a chronically toxic substance may create positive effects in the short-mid term.

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  • has anyone shipped Biocon Sirolimus from India to Italy? I wonder which EU countries are safe to get shipments in. I could do Austria, Germany or Italy. Any thoughts? Thanks!

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      Chris Los Have had rapa powder sent in without problem to Spain.  I could get tablets in US, but my hunch is it is impossible in EU.  My powder was checked HPLC by a friend who has same problem in Canada.  We both used same company.  I have all the mouth sores to prove it is legitimate, and experience taking rapa for 5 years.  2nd. patient of Dr. Green

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      Van thanks a lot; I have become hesitant to trust powder brokers. mind sharing your source? 

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      Chris Los He just posted this on Rapamycin News: https://www.rapamycin.news/t/sirolimus-3rd-party-analysis/1333

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    • Chris Los you may have found, as I recently have, that sirolimus powder is degraded in the stomach. Sirolimus must make it to the small intestine in order to be absorbed. So the fact that any sirolimus at all was found in your blood test makes me wonder if in fact the powder we got was real after all. I am buying some acid resistant capsules which dont dissolve until they reach the more alkaline environment. I remain wary of Chinese powders in general but I can no longer discredit that particular batch.

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    • chuck stanley My sirolimus powder from WHP in China resulted in identical trough levels to what I obtained when taking equivalent doses of  "Rapamune" brand pills. I would concur, that if none found in blood, its the supplier that is likely the issue.

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      Steve Roedde agree, clinical data use tablets that are just compressed powder - however, perhaps branded tablets have some form of stabilization against acids? not aware of that. chuck stanley my blood test did not show any positive sirolimus levels. but the test sensitivity limit means it cannot reject the possibility of small concentrations.  but that does not prove the presence of sirolimus.

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      sadly, I am still without any source of sirolimus, currently....:-)

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    • Chris Los  I’m curious about the sensitivity limit issue. You could always get a blood draw at peak... the absolute value would be meaningless of course, but if none at peak... there would be none... in the product. Mass spectroscopy a better alternative if available.

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  • If you have access to inexpensive testing I could see using Chinese powders. But if the company is a trading company in that product, as most seem to be, then the actual manufacturer could be different with each order, depending on the best price the middle man could negotiate at the time.

    In my case I feel much more confident with certain Indian manufacturers and I don’t mind paying a little higher price than worry I missed out on 2 years of the priceless benefits of rapamycin

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