Methods to treat IMMUNE SENESCENCE

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  • Hi Kritam . Did you have any thoughts about this topic? 

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  • I really don’t know. There is this doctor in Tijuana , Mexico. She says they have treatment. I will first visit her in July and see  what she has to offer. Her name is Dr.Rebecca Lopez.

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  • If you noticed, many people die in old age of pneumonia or some infection. If  immune senescence is addressed properly, then we shall have achieved a major winner in longevity fight. Something needs done immediately and at a affordable price. 

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      • Ozone8
      • Ozone8
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      Kritam What treatment does the TJ doctor provide? Is there a website to check out?

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      • Kritam
      • Kritam
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      Ozone8 

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      • Kritam
      • Kritam
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      Kritam Her number is 619-930-2121. Please ask her. She is very open to questions. 

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      • Kritam
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      Ozone8 I don’t know but you can contact Dr. Rebecca Lopez at 619-930-2121. I think it is called STEMCELLTREATMENTINSTITUTE. I am going to visit that center in July to check what exactly goes on. I think you can do the same first. We have to educate ourselves firsts and then ask experts before we do anything I think. But if you happen to go before a July, it will be appreciated if you share what you learnt. Thanks 

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  • I think it is called stemcelltreatmentinstitute. Please let me know what you think honestly and  I am going to visit that place in July. 

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      • Ozone8
      • Ozone8
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      Kritam It appears you are talking about Renovation Advanced Therapy Center http://renovationstemcellinstitute.com/

      The doctor's name is RIVKAH Lopez. In looking at the website I saw very little relating to anti-aging treatments. It appears they do a procedure of "extracting the patient’s own cells one day, then infusing the stimulated cells back into the body using IV the next day". Who knows what that means?

      They also mention metformin therapy  for anti-aging but that is certainly no reason to take a potentially dangerous trip across the border to TJ. You should be able to obtain it elsewhere.

      If you have a specific issue, there is a lengthy list of things they treat with stem cells. I did not look at any of them.

      Personally I would use extreme caution and get other opinions depending on your health concern. You asked for an opinion- I was not particularly impressed.

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      • Kritam
      • Kritam
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      Ozone8 Did you call her??

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      • Ozone8
      • Ozone8
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      Kritam Sorry but I did not. I saw all I needed to see on the website and I'm not interested. I may try dasatinib/quercetin for senescent cell clearance.

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      • Kritam
      • Kritam
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      Ozone8 Thanks. I will be interested to know the improvement. Nothing like practical self experience. I am convinced that immunesenescence  is a big deal and lot of doctors are quite ignorant in this field. I am pretty reasonably healthy, good life style, good habits etc but I don’t understand  why I have immunescenescence. Crazy!! 

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  • I am using Icarins, life extension immunesenescence formula, Ta365, some others I will have to lookup in my fridge

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  • One way to treat this that is free and built into us is to go on a prolonged water only fast. Dr Valtor Longo at UCLA has done this research primarily. The findings clearly show that there is a white blood cell and senescent cell destruction that occurs during a fast, I believe about 40% of your WBC. In the re-feeding period they are replaced with new cells. 

    He's written a laymen's book discussing it (not to make a buck, I believe the money goes to his research foundation)

     

    https://www.amazon.com/Longevity-Diet-Discover-Activation-Regeneration/dp/0525534075

    FWIW since I started periodic water only fasting (twice a year, 5-6 days) I don't get sick anymore. 

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      • albedo
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      Dan Mc 

      Sorry, I did not make my own research on Valter (not Valtor) Longo  at UCLA but wonder what he says about the frequency of fasting, if you feel to share. I started a small experiment on once per week, water only (day1 8pm to day3 8am or 32 hours) and check if some changes happen on my clinical biomarkers.

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      • dantheman
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      albedo No problem, I've gotten to be a small expert in the subject from doing so many that it's better to distill it anyhow. What I'll talk about comes from the latest from Longo, and from doing fasts at the True North Health center in California which has been doing this for decades. Disclaimer: I am not a medical doctor, consult yours or the good folks at True North before doing a fast. 

       

      First fasting has become popular recently and there's all sorts of boutique approaches, many of them which aren't true fasts (such as 'juice fasts'). Typical kind of thing, something gets popular then the crowd makes it complicated and gets it mostly wrong. 

       

      The ideal fast is water only (no medications (definitely do a medically supervised fast if you need medications), no teas, nothing except water) for greater than 3 days - 4 is typical for buffer. Two days before the fast you ideally lower your carbohydrate intake and eat only fruits and vegetables - the reason for this is to reduce the glycogen in your body so as to enter ketosis sooner (it's the opposite of 'carbo loading' that athletes do).

       

      • If you are 'ideal' - you eat vegan or maybe pescatarian, no dairy, no meat otherwise, and are an athlete then twice a year for 4 days is all you need for a 'tune up'.
      • If you have no health issues but aren't 'ideal', then do it quarterly (4 times/year)
      • If you have health issues, then do it monthly until you correct the problem
      • During the fast drink LOTS OF WATER. Keep track, and ideally it's steam distilled water (you are very sensitive to taste - tap is usually awful when you fast). Bathe your tissues in pure steam distilled water you get from the health store or your own distiller. 
      • Come out of the fast slowly, eating only plant foods for at least a couple of weeks, and ideally forever. 

       

      If you have health issues you should do a medically supervised fast at True North. If you are ideal or otherwise very healthy, then doing it yourself at home is usually fine (see disclaimer). For reference, I am vegan, fit the definition of a tri-athlete (exercise every day for about an hour), take no medications and my numbers are all ideal - so I do a twice a year tune up. I've done fasts up to a week, but now a days find 4-5 days good enough as that's what the research shows. Otherwise I overnight fast for > 12 hours. During the in between time I eat within my diet (all whole food non animal foods), and I pretty much eat as much as I want. The research shows it doesn't really matter, as long as it's not bad foods like milk and meat. The effects of a fast on mTOR, IGF1 etc all last for about three months after a fast, so that's why Long recommends the above schedule for people of varying health. 

      The boutique fasts (one day/week, two day/week) kind of things have benefits, but you don't get the immune senescence therapy from those, plus the other benefits. At around the 3 day mark your body realizes it's getting serious (your body doesn't know you'll start eating again in a few days) and it starts ripping through your system, killing off and consuming about half of your T-cells, it starts going after senescent cells, and obviously your fat stores, all to feed the ketosis engine which is bathing every single cell in your body with ketones instead of glucose. From this, it shows that the re-feeding stage is critical, you want to slowly come out of it, eating only fruits and vegetables for the following week (and ideally forever - including nuts, seeds, etc later). This is because it's on re-feeding that your body creates the stem cells to replenish your immune system with new, baby (unprogrammed) cells. The concept here is 'tear down - build up'. You want to 'clean house', tear down the junk that has accumulated in your body, then rebuild with new, fresh cells in the vegan re-feeding. Only during a water only fast for > 3 days does your body do this. And your body is so desperate for calories, and it wants to 'protein spare', meaning save your muscle tissues, that it goes after any cellular junk you have as FOOD. This is not starvation, this is spring cleaning. 

      I believe this is the best approach to immune senescence therapy and much more. It's natural - our systems are designed to handle it, it's free, it's easy to do at home and there's no lingering questions as to how effective it is, since it affects every cell in the body. Drugs all have side effects and some degree of efficacy. If you consider, it's actually the root cause of most of the developed worlds health problems. The problem is too many calories all the time - too much energy, and we are designed for alternating energy. We need a 'feast and famine' cycle - we don't want chronic calories restriction as some do. That reduces our hormones, energy level and has other issues. We are truly designed for alternating feat and famine (as long as the feasting is healthy feasting). Our bodies only repair themselves in the fasting state. So it's better, much better, and easier than chronic calorie restriction, with the data to back that up. So what's the catch?

      It's not pleasant. Being in ketosis doesn't feel good, though if you go on long enough people usually experience euphoria. For three days it feels like a weird flu. Also there are all sorts of mental things that go on. It induces your brain to repair too and you start generating new brain cells (presumably your body is trying to make you smarter so you can go find a way to get some food). No wonder that religious people use fasting - it's a different experience. I come out of a fast with new insights and understanding of whatever problems are bothering me. But, along with that, your body is saying "you're killing me!" (which isn't true, but your body wants to get back to an energy rich lifestyle) so all sorts of mental funnies occur. I 'enjoy' a fast in a way, it gives me a chance to not worry about food and just focus on myself. I bundle up, sit at my piano or computer, and think and do the things I like to do. But many people just won't do it, so for them a pill is the next best thing. 

      tl/dr - long post, but I hope that was helpful, and I have the short formula to follow up above for ideal results. Basically in my experience fasting is the most important modality you can take to longevity, next to what you put in your body, as it's the only time you give yourself a chance to heal and regenerate. 

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      Dan Mc 

      Thank you for your time and reply! Impressive, you have obviously done your home work on this and wish you best luck!

      If I am not abusing of your time, what's about protein, protein load after fasting, muscle mass and age dependency, meaning there should be some differences if you do this at  say 40 60 or 80?

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      • dantheman
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      albedo Not sure exactly what your question is, but I'll talk about what I know about protein. 

       

      First is that culturally we have (worldwide practically) a protein obsession. It goes way back, the root Latin word "pecus" (e.g. pecuniary) means cattle, and is the word for money. Cattle are wealth for most of our history, and culturally we carry that forward. In the 19th century landowners would put paintings of steers on their walls, as it represented wealth and status (being 'landed'). Fast forward, as we've come to understand the importance of diet, and discover protein, naturally people decided, with no evidence, that protein is essential to life, and that if a little is good, more must be better. 

      The sad fact is that we need very little protein, and excessive amounts cause many degenerative diseases. Read The China Study for epidemiological data on this. Makes me sad to see some woman drinking milk and eating cheese with the mistaken idea it'll save them from osteoporosis. Actually, it's the protein in milk that acidifies the blood stream, whereby your body needs to pull calcium from the bones to neutralize it. And the calcium in dairy isn't of a form that is readily available, so that doesn't help. Basically we're designed to be vegan, from our long intestines to our plant mashing teeth (don't tell me about our canines, which are vestigial simian defensive teeth). Our closest relatives are the simians, who are either plant eaters, fruitarians and at most are opportunistic meat eaters (< 2% of the diet - roadkill basically). They don't eat dairy either, except as babies. 

      So what about protein? Forgetaboutit. You don't need to worry about that at all. Your body has protein sparing mechanisms, the last thing it wants to cause  during a fast is sarcopenia - muscle tissue loss. It goes into overdrive protection of your brain, heart and muscles. Only in true starvation - 30 days of fasting of most people, do you burn everything burnable and your body turns to eating muscle tissue. Don't ever do that. 

      The fad diets - such as Atkins and paleo are sad testaments to people's difficulty with cultural vestiges. Our bodies run on glucose, not protein of which a small amount is easily available from plants. 

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      • albedo
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      Dan Mc 

      Thank you for your reply. Looks like I must go back to school on this and so much more....!

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  • They do not mention immunity but I would expect the impact is beneficial for that too. I thought to post it here as we discussed most on fasting. I wonder if skipping breakfast every day might simulate results:

    Daily Fasting Improves Health and Survival in Male Mice Independent of Diet Composition and Calories

    "Mitchell et al. show that a long daily period of fasting improves the health and survival of male mice, regardless of caloric intake, diet composition, and body weight."

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1550413118305126?via%3Dihub

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  • I had peanut allergy and I recently retested it and it's all gone.

    Previously I had big bumps on skin, very itchy, slurry speech.

    Now I scarfed down 16oz jar of Jif without a problem.  I did this in two days.

     

    For me, peanut allergy was due to consuming too much of it.   I didn't always have it before.    It started to happen a couple of years ago and I stopped consumption for about 6 months now.    I just retested it a few days ago.

     

    I think NMN helped cure my immune dysfunction.

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