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Cell Death Mechanisms Behind D+Q and Fisetin Senolytics
After having done about 9 months of self-experimentation with the effects of D+Q and Fisetin senolytic burst-treatments, I and others in my family have noticed that senolytics with D+Q tends to induce transient flu-like symptoms and a half-day or so feeling of un-wellness, while Fisetin, even taken in 2,000 gram/day doses, does not.
The research on mice indicates that the two senolytic treatments have roughly the same level of senolytic effectiveness. Therefore, I speculate that in the D+Q treatment the immune system is going autophagous, destroying the senescent cells while leaving behind considerable symptom-producing molecular debris, while the Fisetin treatment is triggering aptosis, the natural dismantling of cells that is relatively clean, with little leftover molecular debris.
Comments on this speculation?
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I got plenty of symptoms with 1 gram Fisetin and 1 gram of Quercetin mixed in 1 Tablespoon olive oil with 1/2 teaspoon of ground black pepper, taken on an empty stomach for three day. The symptoms were similar to those of a 4 day water fast, without the gastro-intestinal discomfort. I think the effects on mTOR etc of the combination was similar to that of the water fast.
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I've just started the fisetin mayo protocol and after day 1, I'm feeling like shit. I took 20mg/kg (1800mg) with MCT oil, spreading the dose out into 3 administration's throughout the day. I woke up this morning feeling terrible. Headache, sore muscles etc. I'm only 41 but suffer from multiple auto-immune conditions so feel that the protocol would benefit me. I'll update after a few weeks as there aren't many folks in my age group sharing their stories of self-experimentation.