Preparations for self-treating COVID-19
The mortality rate of the aged population from COVID-19 is very high, around 20% for the over-80 group of which I and my wife are members. Further, if medical facilities are limited and physicians are forced to make triage decisions, the 80+ will be last in line. Therefore, it seems prudent to be prepared to self-medicate in case COVID-19 symptoms should appear. How can this be done?
A French group has done a rather limited study (LINK) of COVID-19 patients indicating that administering the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (dose: 200 mg, three/day) in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin (dose: 500 mg for day 1, then 250 mg/day for next 4 days) produces spectacular recoveries. The graph below shows their results:
On this basis, I have ordered 30 x 200 mg hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) tablets and 60 x 250 mg azithromycin (Zithromax) tablets from pharmacies in India. I hope I never have to use them for me or my family, but it seems prudent to be prepared.
Some suggest taking chloroquine as a profylactic. As if you were to go into an area were there is great risk for chloroquine-sensitive malaria. A profylactic approach is an option for people in high risk groups, at least if it gets really bad. Or if you have to be close to people that has COVID19 and you can not distance yourself in a safe way. For instance if someone close to you gets a mild form and still is at home needing your help. or if you work in hospital and they run out of qualified protective gear.
First, chloroquine (recently promoted by Trump) has some known negative side effects like liver damage and macular degeneration of the eyes that would be best to avoid. Also, there was a report that even a dose of about 1,000 mg of chloroquine can be fatal.
It's derivative hydroxychloroquine, which was used in the French study and which I ordered, has reduced side effects and perhaps is safer. In any case, I would avoid taking either unless I was developing COVID-19 symptoms.
My wife has been taking Plaquenil for 15 years 400 mg/day. Risk is possible vision problems but these are supposed to occur only after 5 years of daily usage. She has stockpiled some since we travel full time and don’t have access to pharmacies all the time.
I think it’s a lot safer than some therapies users in this group try.
azithromycin will only attack open cells, remdesivir will actually do something, antibiotics will only attack bacteria or virus casings that match bacterial binding sites,
azithromycin is only to protect against bacteria taking advantage of weakened state due to viral infection, azithromycin is a red herring when looking to protect a healthy patient. keep your zinc uptake globulins healthy with vitamin d3 and hope a serum antigen and vaccine are on the way!
The word "final" is illusive. Few things are "final" word. Few drugs offer exclusion from complications. That observation offered; US policy has to recognize that maybe all US citizens and even the 12 or so millions of illegals need tested multiple times? Perhaps public policy needs to work toward a polio vaccination approach where a anti-virus sugar cube is passed out to car loads of people (the masses)? What are we looking at? 360 + 12 or so million people to vaccinate. That's a long line. Logistics are nationally challenging; globally even more so. Our government and the scientific community at large appear to need follow numerous paths-approaches at once: dodge the immediate bullet; decrease severity via immune strength actions/drugs/whatever; improved care and care equipment and staff safety; and shots, sugar cube dispensing of vaccine or whatever to prevent and aid cure & increased survival probability. Some agency should be chasing down effectiveness of whatever is proposed by whomever. It appears that the FDA isn't philosophically attuned to quick discovery. That policy deficiency appears self evident in that it refuses to recognize aging as a disease. Logically a credible National anti-aging plan would include rapid response to viruses; etc.? Both COVID-19 and aging diseases are global; the remedy must be applied globally. Otherwise; COVID-19 cycles and mutates too rapidly. Apparently, the mystery of re-infection is not solved. The numbers of potential infected and dead are disturbingly profound. People with more voice, $ and smarts than I need to scream loudly and long. Too many leaders are deaf at the global top leadership levels. Aging and COVID-19 are lethal and are diseases that must be remedied. Given the virus is mutating; perhaps better government perspective and support is needed. Perhaps it is also time to scream for anti-aging remedy? Who dares to scream for a sugar cube approach loaded with drug and/or some concoction to prevent and cure COVID-19 and/or aging? I see no government plan with tasks, milestones, schedules, figures of merit; priorities; specific budgets; clear assignments, an organized Manhattan Project approach; etc. It appears the answer to your noble question is outside my budget. Maybe we need to scream louder? For sure this horribly infectous virus won't go poof mid April. Scream???? This isn't political; it is in observation that no credible plan exist. Organization is haphazard. Where is the National Plan? Where is the budget; tasks, actions, milestones, schedules, assignees; etc.?? If we can get that up for public comment; maybe your answer will come forth? Sadly; no nation appears to have a public plan for remedy.
The original French study showed good results, although the study was small. A second French study claims good results but thorough review of it shows only questionable results. A Chinese study with the same 2 drugs showed no effect.
something to consider before you start taking meds with potentially serious and permanent side effects.
Watched a presentation by William Shaw, PhD. His research shows a connection between Corona virus and phospholipase A2 and proposed possible treatment to prevent the breakdown of lipids that the virus uses to gain access to the cell. Such treatment involved CDP-choline (Citicoline), an OTC supplement. From intro to the webinar:
"The enzyme phospholipase A2 (PLA2) is one of the most important enzymes involved in the destruction of life by microorganisms and venomous animals such as snakes, wasps, spiders, and bees. Some viruses produce their own PLA2 while the corona virus family hijacks the PLA2 of the cells they are infecting to increase the replication of virus particles. In this webinar, Dr. Shaw will review evidence in the literature regarding PLA2 and viruses. He will also discuss some of the most effective treatments for elevated PLA2, which may be helpful in reducing the damage done by viruses, including those in the corona family."
PLEASE NOTE: CHLOROQUINE/HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE does not interact with any virus including the Covid-19 virus. They act as ionophores for zinc which interferes with the replication process of various viruses. So they are zinc ionophores. Chemicals that open gateways for zinc to enter your cells. There are other ionophores for zinc. Quercetin is one and can be found over the counter (internet). No prescription needed. It is not as strong as the fore mentioned but buy it with the additive Bromelain and take with vitamin C and you'll get an extra kick as they make quercetin more bioavailable to your body. Take this as a prophylactic and enjoy your life. I do, unafraid.
NOTE: just in-South Korean researchers tested Quercetin and zinc in vitro and found it 100% effective against Covid-19. Once you understand they work as ionophores, you'll understand why some tests come back showing no effect and others come back showing great effect. They test them in vitro without the presence of zinc-bad results or after the body is dying (on respirators) from complications not addressed by Chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine.
Hope this will clear up more than your concerns about your help and stimulate your minds to wonder why we're here in the first place when this info has been around quite awhile. As this evolves, we must take the news, politicians and health organizations to task. Be smart-be well.
What % each/pound of body weight for prevention? What's you wholistic best guess?
What % each/pound of body weight for when breathing difficulties first appear? What's your best wholistic guess?
Since testing isn't a kit the government passes out for home testing (complete with How to do home video); maybe it should be?
Point being government long term failure to work directly with the people has adverse impact. Government (should) being of, for, and by the people..
How to test? Needs to be Dick and Jane Doe simple.
Current government approach leaves the people out of the self-help game.
Mass data collection via honor system into secure data base? E. g., collect: 1. daily body temp reduction from time of onset?; 2. Frequency of coughing/10 minutes?; 3. Frequency of chills & time duration duration?; 4. What else?
The COVID-19 is a mass attack. There will be others as mutations occur & as the ice melts. Yet, no systematic or responsive e-based public data system is in existence. Looks like government policy is void and action less. So, maybe we need some app & e-site for data collection.
It increasingly becomes self-evident that many government leaders knew of the threat far earlier than admitted to. Fact the leaders get daily threat briefings. The area of concern is always in highly classified domestic and foreign briefings. That is standard protocol. Obviously; electing people to serve the unelected is not put well in place. Mass leadership failure.
Message therein appears to be we need some sort of failsafe secure public means to sustainably report and data collect. Since the government won't collect data and early warn until after insiders make strategic stock decisions; maybe the public needs some independent secure data bases? No data; no analyses; no early warnings. Clearly; the existing system is broke.
Policy broke; infrastructure broke; data base not existent. Summation; It's broke.
Maybe: "The Age-Reversal for Self Help and Death Avoidance" needs: 1. a "Symptoms Reporting" secure e-file; 2. a "How To Self-Diagnose" Section; complete with instructions; 3. A "Self-test Dendritic; 4. a "What to do until a MD confirms"; and a "What to do if no MD can come and there is no medical facility" section?
Clearly; there isn't enough (planned or provided) test kits existing or planned by government. Clearly; national health situational awareness is broke. Government is broke & there is no credible plan to by it to fix it.
That gets us back to understanding your immediate independent self-help recommendations and noble self-help clinical trials & data collection.
Dosage recommendation specifics needed.
Obviously; everything needs to be failsafe. E. g., "That which is done needs data collection and analysis as much as possible."
The same is true for all personal age reversal trials.
Age-reversal, disease avoidance and self-cure via prevention must become the new In-Vogue.
Your thoughts & counsel?
You have a lot of questions and concerns. Like me you like to look into that grey fog of what lies ahead. That's why I was able to figure out the quercetin with bromelain answer, at least for me. You have not heard anything about the chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine trials because they are coming back with good news. The media which hates Trump and would gladly sacrifice their fellow citizens to give him a black eye are refusing to report it. It only takes five days for recovery using those drugs. If the news was bad. It would be reported in every news source available. So have cheer, we are almost though this. Once the news is out, people will be over joyed, the market will go through the roof and businesses will be back to business.
To address your other concerns let just say we are unfortunately on a big boat with everyone else and no ability to turn this ship in any direction. Decisions made in history drive our direction. And yes, we are heading for and going over a waterfall. But we must focus on today as those around us are doing the same thing. They don't see the waterfall. So, get your food, keep your money and focus on your loved one. Act in a brave and quiet manner. when all else lose their heads, they will need someone calm and thoughtful to lead.
I am not for self-treating but during the years I developed a good partnership with my doctors and can ask and likely obtain what I want. This might be useful in the discussion with your doctor as I have it from dear friends in the north of Italy in one of the worst hit regions. Recently the mother in law of one of them has been tested positive at 92 (also being tested for antibodies to gather insight on timing of infection) and retained in the hospital with her family not (yet) put in strict quarantine but prescribed - ONLY IF FEVER HIGHER THAN 37.5 deg C (99.5 deg F) - to take hydroxychloroquine 200mg 2x in the morning and 2x in the evening on the first day and from the second day, for at least 5 days, 1x in the morning and 1x in the evening. For the all duration MDs added azithromycin 500mg per day.
I'm not an MD or PhD in this field. However; I'm focused on living forever for the wonderful ride on Earth. I'm familiar with military and planning at many levels of government. I project and product managed. So where I come from is varied background & connections. I'm informed that a local person had their MD prescribe 500mg/day of hydroxychloroquine (one per day). However, the pharmacist would not honor the MD prescription.
Encourage a serious licensed expert to join in the forum. Maybe an attorney as well? Has the FDA or other government entity closed down freedom of speech? Thought? MD scrips? Have they or other institutions clamped down on pharmacists? Can they not follow MD direction/MD prescription?
As said in the South; "What's up?"
However; from my experience in government; it appears that there is no credible management plan to remedy COVID-19 or follow ons. Why? It is my opine that there should be a National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P) with COVID-19 as a sub-task. How else can any government cope with human life spans decreasing? For sure; COVID-19 is going to statistically shorten national and global human life spans. If any government doesn't have a credible over-arching plan against aging and tasks, sub-tasks, and actions, metrics and schedules; how can they budget or assign tasks and judge performance?
If COVID-19 is like 1819; there will be waves and cycles for years. Get real. Some news reports this initial 2020 (or 2019) wave lasting until August 2020. Hummm? Is that not near the beginning of the next 2020 flu season? What gives? Not arguing with anyone; just curious.
Sorry; this picture puzzle looks to be missing parts?
Logically: one report is 400 mg X 2 /day vs 500 mg/day. That is 800 mg vs 500 mg? Obviously, there is no body weights associated with scrips; but, maybe there should be?
Anyone with the real talk? The talk to walk?
Looks to me like this "be ready" effort is very wise.
Looks like a vaccine is a year away at best. Looks like no one is talking logistics; e.g., should the vaccine be in a sugar cube (like polio) for global distribution vice just a shot or pill? Logically; all humans on Earth may should get it?
Interestingly: if the younger survive better than the older; why not make the older younger? Why is that not in an over-arching plan to remedy COVID-19 and future threats to human life spans?
BobM & others seeking longest lives in good spirit & fun on planet Earth.
Keep a positive mind set and a hardy laugh. My mindset on this threat is to never let anyone say: "He was unhappy yesterday." If I'm successful in that daily happiness challenge; I will have lived a happy life. Simple goals can take hard
work; but, at 76; I've done a lot of that before.
Presently, I'm going to double down on growing younger. I'm also going to assure I've plused up on: Vitamin C; zinc; and quercetin. I'm also looking at herbals. I have Chinese friend that says the Chinese have a (state secret) herbal cure. He says they won't share it because supplies will be rapidly consumed if made known.
In regard to Vitamin C; there was some very good articles on cure of toxic shock by high dosing in some Life Extension Foundation magazines. Apparently, MD's were not typically doing it. Maybe; take some literature along with us if we have to goto hospital?
Apparently, this virus is excreted in urine and feces. That makes restrooms red zones and says; "Seriously and protectively use them and clean them well and safely. If true: "Why doesn't our nation's leaders say things like that?"
Chinese "medicine (herbal mixes) have been around longer than Western drugs. Can anyone round up a Asian approach? No point limiting our research.
Asian prevention and cure approaches typically don't have adverse affects and effects.
Ha! Brain storming is only as good as one uses collective brain power.
Seeking more conversation and opening up conversation to more approaches to prevention as well as cures.
It appears we need to continue this quest of prevention and preparedness and also give some thought to getting our government to target anti-aging as part and parcel to remedy and somehow cause our government to serve all ages better. A National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P) is clearly needed.
I've discovered that politicians won't read letters that do not have money in them. Only the really fat checks get to the top. No political party has a NA2P. Just observing.
Yet, big investors are in the anti-aging emerging market.
We could target making all organs impacted by COVID-19 well and younger? Follow the each organ paths of: anti-aging; prevention of disease, initial defense preparations (keyed to temperatures; blood analysis, urine analysis; etc.
Hummm? Kinda sorta see a very rough plan of some sorts?
It appears wise to note that current data is demonstrating a new hump of infections maybe 2+ months after the 1st hump in infections. One sine like curve followed by another?
I do not observe our leaders addressing that data implication. Observation; we may have to have preparedness for more than one attack? Plus; more attacks just like flu; in the fall. Current data doesn't appear uniform. Why is there apparent statistical variances?
If the apparent data is saying; we must be prepared for and defend against multiple or even yearly attacks of COVID-19; then, logically prevention without downside impacts is a solid requirement and design goal. Otherwise; our ability to sustain immunity breaks down.
That is a statistic of import in vaccine development and administration. It sizes challenges in logistics, distribution, and production quantities. If someone creates a cure; it isn't really practically that good if all people don't get it.(Think polio & chicken pox. Think sugar cubes and pills and shots.) That observes that maybe production needs global sizing and many on many production sites. None of that is in any emergency plan. So where is the plan (s)? For credible planning; the COVID-19 plan is just a sub-plan to a National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P), with: metrics, assignees, tasks, subtask, budgets, fiscal control; schedules; progress tracking; etc., as required. Other wise; failure.
Not seeking politics at all; just observing management status and resourcing. It appears that the President passes everything to the Vice President; then, the Vice President passes it to the President's son-in-law? The son-in-law is a "one stop" (think how the homeless are aided in Alabama) for: Mid East Peace Plans, Saudi oil and political policy on murdered writers; managing the National Stock Pile and setting policy therefor; and COVID-19 issues; etc. The normal way of managing the bureaucracy doesn't apply. I keep looking for a national plan to analyze. It isn't there--- yet. I've never heard anyone at national level say National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P) or refer to a specific detailed COVIS-19 plan; complete with goals, objectives, milestones;,schedules, tasks, subtask, budget, fiscal allowance; phases of research, human resources, training requirements, or plans, logistics, distribution plans, production sites or readiness thereof; etc., all the boiler plate of a well run business or government. Sorry; I must be becoming blind? I seriously look; but, cannot see it. War strategies and planning are the highest priority in any nation; but, I don't see a complete picture. By the way, some of the preparedness possibilities could make participants blind and there is no NA2P.
That is real talk. Not intended in any way as criticism. We individulally and as a nation and global community have serious challenges: anti-aging, COVID-19; surviving global warming and the singularity.
Funny. Old Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times." So here we are!
My greatest praise and thanks to you each and all. You are each and all soldiers and warriors the front line against aging and against COVID-19. Thanks greatly. Wars are won by individual soldiers acting individually and/or together on self-initiative.
$2+ trillion and no detailed NA2P or COVID-19 plan? Amazing! The Emergency ACT is not a detailed or measurable plan. That is a management; not, politic comment.
Lots of questions; but, if we find remedy; it will come from many answers to lots of questions. It will come from serious, organized, sustained, and planned action.
It is extremely important we continue this preparedness task.
Never trust government; but, demand it work for all IAW the US Constitution and Amendments; there to.
Collective & individual thoughts?
Normal limit on metformin is 2000mg/day; but, some take 2500mg/day. Yeah; 15 gm metformin/day appears as death wish. I'm no MD. I'm taking 2500mg metformin/day @ 160 lbs and 76 years of age. (2-1000mg and one 500mg--breakfast, lunch and dinner timing; but, only eat one meal/day most of the time). Still kicking. Just a witness. Everyone is wise to check with their MD. Good to consult more than one MD. Alabama has no human life extension qualified MD on the list. Tragically; I have too many friends that just want to die and go to heaven. They even refuse to research the literature or join the forum out of curiosity. I've been made fun of and informed that humans are not supposed to live 100's of years by God's will. Obviously; I've not signed up to death. This does; however, address some of why there is no National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P). Too many religious leaders preach that we must die to go to heaven. I've even been told that it is sinful to live "too" long. A sea change in thinking needs to occur. Just witnessing. Any comments?
In continued praise and respectful answer:
Dosing and documentation are extremely important. Got to get it right. Great to talk.
This is a bit outside the specific discussion on human dosing; but, thought it mindful and important to mission success.
BBC network recently reported about a US zoo tiger getting the virus; e.g., possible human to animal transfer. Care to guess a tiger dosing? Odd one has to go to BBC web site to get US news?
If this proves true; the virus may persist for years and may mutate to kill other species.
The effort to develop or fully discuss a vaccine hasn't yet matured enough to offer up a polio like approach: e.g., conclusion that every human needs the vaccine. That harkens to the need for serious production and distribution. Worst case; every year everyone needs to take a flu shot.
The US President and VP and son-in-law go to for everything seem to believe pandemic will be over by May-ish? Zip plans to test or inoculate every human. Not politic here; just trying to understand management and policy direction. WHO and US health officials appear of different opine. Management discussion follows:
There is absolutely no planning or policy for the apparent sort of persistent polio like war that seems to be globally apparent and emerging based on reported data.
The leaders are not even talking or walking that "polio" or "Manhattan Project" like talk. Apparently, not even curious or interested in fail safe planning.
Opine: all in the government & business of vaccine creation should be thinking mass production at many different national and global production facilities and multiple ways to distribute in various vaccine distribution forms: e.g., pills, shot (needle and high pressure injection, and sugar cube and be targeting every human on Earth & in space. Everyone tested multiple times. In this case, tiger & humans treatment needs to be in multiple forms. Possibly even in animal feed. Remember iodized salt?
The longer the delay; the more devastating and long lasting the threat and vulnerability to new threats.
Clue on process to date? Nothing on this subject is in any known daily brief. Not even questions from the news.
Very bad news: human to tiger or another animal to tiger or both? Very scary!!
My Dear Uncle Sam; are you focused? If so; where is the National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P) and it's New Viruses Task's subtask COVID-19?? Yes, all wars must have well thought out plans. Failure to strategically plan = folly and loss. "Dear Uncle Sam; Dear Commander in Chief, "Do you understand?" This war will not; repeat not; be over at the end of April 2020.
No government appears to be taking a "polio" approach toward vaccine distribution for prevention and cure. Our own government leadership isn't recognizing that data shows a severe initial sine like curve followed by a smaller "bump" one in 2+ months. That would be a June-ish second bump best case. The next cycle in 2020 could potential be the next flu season; e.g., Sept 2020 flu season. 2 cycles/year and a wave every year; e.g., 2021, 2022; etc.? What is the thinking?
If the tiger caught COVID-19 in April; is there now also potential animal back to human as well as human to animal transfers in a different cycle & period?
These questions make it reasonably clear that this preparedness effort is very important to our each and collective survival. OK soldier: "Where is your each and all mess kit?"
From a government management perspective; looks like management planning needs a serious shot in the glutinous maximus; or, whatever. In military terms; planning is Broke and program is Broke. Strategic management planning is apparently void. System Flaming RED. Immediate action required- flash-flash-flash! All quarters on deck!
No one should take this observation as politic; it is what it is; a very scary situation that requires immediate action for crisis avoidance and stopping loss of human lives.
Logically; if this virus follows a polio persistence path; then, every human needs a mess kit and every zoo potentially needs some too. Worse case price vacine; everyone needs tested prior; during and after virus attack: ---- everyone in worst case. Point being; this is more than a WHO initiative. Leaders must recognize 30 April isn't going to be a forever done deal. How many years has the polio fight been going on?
Tragically; it appears that current government COVID-19 planing is an "accepted attrition plan"; not a credible save all humans plan. This comes at a time when human life spans are decreasing and the threats of global warming and the Singularity are advancing rapidly. This is not fiction. This is real talk. Serious talk!
Opine: It is flawed thinking to have an "accepted attrition" plan in interest of the economy at a time when human life spans are decreasing. "Accepted attrition" is extremely flawed and irresponsible planning. Enforcing and executing an "accepted attrition" plan by Marshal Law is incomparable with the US Constitution and Bill of Rights (the amendments thereto. Not good.Simle observation: I purchased batteries and the merchant took my ID info (terrorism threat). I have a Alabamians have a kerfu. Drivers licenses before the virus war require re-issue with a digital tracking star. The homeless are apparently disappearing? The remedy to COVID-19 is not "attrition" or tracking or disappearing humans. There must be some national debate.
Since COVID-19 is mutating; national health policy needs serious review and change where appropriate. Clearly, nations do not have proper infrastructure or policies to cope with such a horrid attack. Since the virus comes out in urine as well as feces; sewage treatment is another serious issue. Who will go in a manhole to free up a fatberg? Will protective zones be needed around existing sewage infrastructure? How will sewage and drinking water be treated?
Code red! If animals become infected; fleas and ticks may transfer it back to humans. Wake up! Think Black Plague. Think history; think science; think war. Horrid war.
Possibly other animals become infected! Seriously: Ohhh No; Mr. Bill.
Since the virus is detected in urine and feces; hopefully; sewage won't become more toxic waste. Presently; I see no data on sewage treatment policy changes; but, also see no testing. Is that, by magic, in the Emergency Act?
For sure; $2+trillion isn't strategically thought out and isn't based on credible immediate; short, mid or long term planning or transparency. Ever see a progress report yet? Schedules; task assignees; etc., basic business plan stuff? Status: Haphazard. No real NA2P exist and the Emergency Act is not a credible plan; it is political reflex CYA; not a serious COVID-19 cure all. It does not raise to the level of credible military war or business planning. Period. The Act is void of recognition that human anti-aging is part and parcel to winning the war as well as is void of competent over all planning and execution of the war. Reorganization required. Mission reassignments required. Credible planning mandatory. NA2P mandatory and very wise.
That is business analysis from my Masters in Management Science:--not politic. Just hard talk.
***Recommendation: President should immediately carve out 6% of total Emergency Act $ and assign it to mission start up to reverse human aging. Congress should write Bill and pass it now. A Manhattan Project approach is wise. Most of the $ should transfer into that mission as soon as NA2P and Anti-aging Manhattan like Project are established and reorganization is phased in.
It is OK to argue as long as something better is offered. Consensus of Opine is a process and a good thing. No one knows everything.
Denial of need is not solution for need.
Conclusion; the dosing work done herein the Forum is extremely important. It may be the only way to eventually find mass remedy: e.g., individual initiative by each soldier in the fight is what wins wars.
Yes; every Important we vote and write deciders. This nation is: of, by and for the people. That isn't acceptance of marshal Law or a Dictatorship as government rule. Got to be in the game or loose human lives. Must seriously recognize that anti-aging success is key to COVID-19 and future viral and bacteria threat remedies now and future. Competent strategic plan needed for human anti-aging as over-arching strategic management of all aging threats; inclusive of COVID-19. We cannot let the tail wag the dog. COVID-19 is; but, one tail. Common sense management planning is needed. NA2P is mandatory and essential to success.
Just saying. But where there is one opine; others can speak up as well. Ever notice how volume goes up when many speak and sing together? Squeaking wheel gets grease. Always!
Hello Champions in staying alive. Worked on my tractor yesterday. It was fun.
Also my MD, a fine man, put me on Amlodipine (10 mg once/day); an ACE2 -stimulating drug. 160 lbs & 76 years of age. Eating one meal/day to get 23 hour fast every day. Also take periodic 3 and 5 day fast. Yes; taking quercetin, bromeliad & Vitamin C. Taking a lot of supplements as well. Taking Temazepam 30 mg/night for sleep. Also Melatonin for sleep. No sleep; no wellness. Also taking NAD and other anti-aging stuff.
On the nation's strategy to cope with COVID-19; Dr. Anthoni Fauci recently recognized that there may be no new normal. As I've observed; our political leaders appear to accept attrition (collateral kill) in this war, as well as same for front soldiers (MDs, nurses, health care providers). Point being that this no brain virus isn't a warrior; it is a global disease via virus. This isn't a war; it is a global threat to humanity and the free movement and free association we had prior its emergency. Logically; if we want back to normal; then there has to be a "Polio" and or "Chicken Pox" approach that WHO and all nations; etc., administer to every human. Current approach will not work to get us back to normal. Point being a strategic plan needs developed and worked to completion. Given that human life spans are getting shorter; it appears wise to develop a credible National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P) with "COVID-19" as a subtask under a "New Virus" task. Simply put; our nation has no real manageable plan to increase human life spans. The ultimate measure of back to normal is the average life span. Even if we ever get back to normal in longest average life spans of the past; we should have NA2P plan goals and milestones and specific task, subtask, etc.,--all the boiler plate of competent strategic planning to be able to achieve and measure progress in mission success. Speaking of milestones: how about average high quality life spans of 100 years, 200 years; etc? How about setting a serious goal of defeating aging? Better yet; reversing aging.
Point I'm trying to make is that neither theft or right politic has or proposes a NA2P; it doesn't exist. Politics: Broke. Obviously, no NA2P; no funding; no action.
It should be compelling that our nation establish an NA2P and structure the government to achieve measured increases in quality and length of human life spans. As the Singularity arrives; you can bet that super intelligent machines will get repairs, have maintenance; get upgrades, and last longer than humans. As it is, those machine cost are currently tax write offs as part and parcel to production. However; the current great debate on health care; fails to recognize that humans and human life span lengths in high quality life are more important than machines' use life. Got an 1700's buggy that you bought when you were 19 years of age? Why not? Ha! Where is my penny per penny tax write off? There is incredibly weird talk that the economy is more important than old folks lives? I do not buy that con job of a side step to avoid national health system management and organization failures or failure to property assign an anti-aging mission or for that matter cover up that timely decisions were not made and are still not being made to defeat COVID-19. Our nation's too many dying on the front lines; even one is too many.
Just recognizing that the goal of back to normal should actually be "Forward to a better normal and longer high quality human life". I have zero desire to short the great planet Earth adventure by death and suffering. There is nothing natural about human death. Death is the result of the rapid in-end toll of diseases of aging or accident or murder. That needs to be bedrock national health policy. A NA2P must be put in place. A Manhatten like Project leading to a NA2P and Anti-aging mission and Cabinet position. Credible strategic planning. reporting, and transparency--the whole 10 plus yards; yard by yard to goal(s) attainment.
Then, and only, then can our nation lead as we should. 3/4 of Earth is covered with water. The global garbage patches could be turned into human floating land masses. Point being; it's junk populism to believe that humans have to accept death; because, there isn't enough space or food.
If we really (everyone should) want to live longest ever done by anyone past; there must be a funded and well managed competent plan to achieve that mission.
The blunt truth is that there will be no back to pre-COVID normal or path to better than normal without mission assignment and appropriate action to rid the human race of COVID-19 as well as the other existing as well as emerging diseases--unless there is national and global mission. We must start with national mission assignment., Think eradication of diseases; including COVID-19. Think anti-aging. Think longer human life spans. Then act.
COVID-19 isn't a thinking virus. This isn't a real war; it is a failure to manage. There is no NA2P. Worse; there is no anti-aging mission assigned or funded or budgeted. System: Broke.
Obviously; our collective sharing of COVID-19 approaches to survive is witness that no rational national management plan to get back to normal exist. The acceptance of perpetual constant human attrition (by death and compromised health) is a plan of decreased length life spans; not, getting back to normal. "Acceptance of "maybe some testing; maybe some get vaccinated; maybe live, maybe die, watch the curve, mass deaths; mass compromised health" is failed national policy from the get go. It is only the best we can do; because, goals are accepted too low for increasing human life span. Obviously, in the USA, human life spans are shortening. This has been happening over decades. Observation: System Broke.
Our individual and collective efforts to live longest is absolutely necessary. Obviously. at present the COVID-19 remedy plan is in acceptance of no return to normal. Obviously, normal wasn't good enough anyway. COVID-9 must be globally eliminated.
Other diseases must be globally eliminated and research and public and private investments must laid and focused by a NA2P in the USA and in other countries as well.
There must be a "polio"- 'chicken pox' like champaign to globally eliminate COVID-19. Otherwise, back to normal ain't going to happen. That is the real talk.
At this time; we have to push ahead with our own approaches.
Credibly; I'm not buying into a new lower normal that necessitates living in a police state under Marshal Law. That is the obvious future if, this and follow on viruses, are not managed to complete elimination. So far; leaders are pitching the illusion that the threat is over 30 April 2020--maybe-ish. Sorry; that ain't going to happen. "We'll see" is just a con line for continued failure to ignore that USA human life spans are decreasing in length and that there is no NA2P and no mission assigned to rid Earth of COVID-19. The observation that human to tiger transmission may exist; should send shock waves.
So far; it hasn't.
The only way to face reality is to be really truthful and act in a credible manner to achieve remedy and threat elimination. I cannot and will not accept that indiscriminate or discriminate deaths by COVID-19 is to be the new normal. The current approach is to accept human life attrition in cycles and waves is tragically flawed. That is the real talk. In my view; that policy is not tolerable.
As such; we must achieve preparation status in order to speak up with unquenched voices and get COVID-19 remedy and also get a NA2P for the USA.
Sharing preparations is a really good thing.
Thanks for the counsel; et. al.
A lot of interesting discussion. Unfortunately its like talking with anti-vaxxers. People have made up their minds and not changing.
My only purpose in posting here was to warn people that they may be taking a drug with potentially dangerous side effects, that has no proven benefit.
I have tried to stay as informed as possible about Covid as I see patients everyday with it. Listening to experts in multiple fields of medicine. Almost all agree that there is NO conclusive evidence that Hydroxychloroquine does anything for Covid. I'm not saying proof won't come out, just that there is no proof yet.
Progressive prevention and cure the all the disease(s) of aging? Something straight forward. Where aging is all diseases current and/or future that threaten life expectancy.
If the NA2P can do that mission; humans should be able to live longer. Simple statement; complex over arching mission. The word progressive emphasizes goals schedule, milestones; etc.
Not sure where remobilization (as in disabilities) fits in. More work needed.
Thanks for comment.
In regard to zinc being needed:
My research also indicates that the worst hit with the disease are low in zinc.
It would aid individual researchers if there was a open public data file of COVID-19 case studies. Logically; such a file would be created and maintained as a task in the proposed National Anti-aging Plan (NA2P).
The low zinc levels begs the questions: (1) should there be different levels of zinc by age group?"; (2) "Is the current minimum level too low?"; (3) "What is the proper amount to aid prevention of COVID-19?"; (4) "What is the proper amount when symptoms appear?"; (5) "What is the proper amount when COVID-19 fully infects and chest pain occurs?"
Again: a NA2P case studies task could be created and would surely be of great use to all researchers seeking prepardations, prevention and cure of all diseases; not, just COVID-19.
It would have to be a secure file and updated factually. That is policy, procedures and laws; etc. However; elimination of human diseases is mandatory to achieve the human life span goals of average and quality life spans of 100, 200, 300; etc., years.
One of the biggest problems in achieving anti-aging is the lack of public access to a credible and easily searchable data base. Status of most of the data needed to really advance human life span increasing science is demonstrated by the lack of public assessable and organized data for independent analysis and science use. This situation can be remedied via a NA2P and a Manhattan like Project that can over arch and focus existing health improvement agencies toward making data available. There is a lot of case studies and data available; but, it is not accessible or well organized. As such, application and analysis programs are often useless.
Funny. As US citizens, the law is that only a "drug" can cure disease. OK? Why? It makes no common sense to limit the extension of human life span to a "drug" approach. Other cultures use herbs as well as many other techniques; including yoga, Hanna Somatics, acupuncture, chiropreactic; etc. Prevention includes keeping organs healthy. As such; a serious data base of USA, all country, clinical trials and "other culture" demonstrations should be available for public use.
COVID-19 shuts down organs. Why is there no organ health and immunity counsel? $2+ trillion? Really? And no specific organ counsel?
It takes a credible organization to verify, validate data and authenticate as well as to organize a data. This is no simple effort. However; achieving a goal of doubling average life spans in 5 years requires its establishment. Oddly, countries spend more on fighting and how to kill and dominate; than, on how to achieve human anti-aging.
Wow! The Singularity and global warming are progressing faster than planning and actions toward increasing human life spans. Have we collectively lost our good senses distracted by weak political theater and digital games? Shakespeare would write a whole series of plays. Got to laugh or cry. Whacko appears in vogue.
Not fund WHO? Why? Who replaces WHO? WHO has the infrastructure. Eradication of COVID-19 is a huge task. Eradication is better: than, centuries of attrition. Should WHO recommend increasing zinc? Who also should recommend increasing zinc?
Say what? Are we collectively loco? This COVID-19 event brings to question if countries really value the aged or even the young more than the economy. No leader has yet to say: "Global "eradication" of COVID-19 is imperative." All leaders appear to have accepted remedy by attrition. In military terms; that policy includes acceptance of collateral kill of innocents as well as: soldiers (care givers, doctors, grand parents; children: etc.) in all fields and endeavors.
Acceptance of a policy of attrition appears counter to quality of life and pro police state. Why agree with that restriction on freedom? Object must be "eradication" and true return to freedom. Sure; distancing is wise. COVID-19 plans are well thought out; but, true freedom from COVID-19 requires more strategy. It requires both prevention and eradication as well as some attrition in the initial phase we are in this day.
Prevention and cure of diseases must be strategically planned. Obviously, in that sense; COVID-19 is a subtask in a NA2P.
In more regard to zinc; what do other cultures eat and how they get it is of interest. Specifically; what should a person eat to prevent the disease and/or aid cure the disease? No one appears to be talking diet.
Of course: that too could be in a data base searchable by disease.
The military uses fault diagnosis trees to test and diagnose failures as well as low performance. Why isn't there a public fault tree available for COVID-19? $2+ trillion and no fault diagnosis tree? Outragious! No NA2P? Outragious! No organized public fault trees for other diseases? Outragious! No public available set, kit or outfit (SKO) or use instructions? Do we care more about machines than ourselves?
Maybe I'm stupid and cannot smell; but, something stinks.
Logically; a comprehensive data base task would be a required task in the the NA2P. The most current data for COVID-19 would be under the search for COVID-19 in a subtask therein.
Maybe there needs to also be a General Services Administration (GSA) for ordering and issuing COVID-19 SKOs (zinc; etc., and instructions therein)?
$2+ trillion and no answers to the above to the people and no NA2P? This is a management observation and question. Forget the politics.
No one knows everything.
If anyone knows the answers; please communicate and add to the conversation.