A Spreadsheet for Calculating Your Levine Phenotypic Age
An excellent paper by M. E. Levine, et al, entitled "An epigenetic biomarker of aging for lifespan and healthspan" describes a technique for combining nine blood-work values with calendar age to calculate your Mortality Score (probability of death in the next ten years) and your Phenotypic Age, i.e., your apparent biological age as implied by your blood variables. The calculation procedure is rather arcane, involving non-obvious unit conversions, exponentials, and logarithms, so I have produced an Excel spreadsheet (LINK) for performing these calculations.
Levine, et al., also used an elaborate DNA analysis of many blood samples to find what they call the DNAm PhenoAge, a measure of the degree of DNA methylation present, a phenomenon associated with aging. They correlate this measure with the Phenotypic Age, showing that they track very well. My spreadsheet uses a fit to their plots to estimate your DNAm PhenoAge and the modified Mortality Score that it implies.
You may already have blood-work giving the nine blood variables needed to use this spreadsheet, but if not they can be obtained by purchasing the blood-work of LifeExtension's Chemistry Panel & Complete Blood Count (CBC) ($35) and their C-Reactive Protein (CRP), Cardiac ($42). On the spreadsheet at the upper line of blue numbers, you simply enter your values in place of the ones presently there and enter your decimal calendar age in the last column. The calculated results then appear in red on the last line.
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@ JGC
It is good to have started a fresh new thread on the Levine's paper and providing your calculator. Thank you again. However, I feel worth also to refer everyone to the thread started by Dan Mc on the same topic/paper where there is an important follow on discussion in particular about integration of several categories of possible biomarkers of aging (e.g. molecular, clinical, anthropometric, machine learning driven, ...), the role of inflammation as characterized by biomarkers as CRP and IL-6 and the intriguing role "geometric" factors as MCV/RDW have.
A nice follow up here could be to gather information on trends along the years rather that only measurement at one point in time as better tacking the interventions we are trying.
I have written to Dr Levine along these line (no reply yet) and wonder if you got a reply on the CRP vs. MCV/RDW role.
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albedo
Dr. Steve Horvath answered, saying that they did not have any explanation of the relative weight strengths because it was a numerical optimization that didn't involve human judgement. My own theory is that the two blood geometry factors are so important in determining the Phenotypic Ager because senescent blood cells have a different geometry from normal blood cells and their increased presence trends to increase both MCV and RDW.
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JGC
I believe It is a reasonable hypothesis and it wold be worth some research for which I lack time. AFAIK it is quite well established both MCV and RDW increase with age and are associated to mortality and morbidity as cardio vascular diseases (see also the other thread). As much of this is mediated by “inflammaging” it would be interesting to test whether the Senescence-Associated Secretory Phenotype of the cells (SASP) which characterizes senescence in particular in response to inflammatory signalling, likely in all tissues, incl. blood, is also associated to morphological changes which would mechanistically explain the high weights in the Levine’s regression in step 1. Note also that in the regression weights it is rather the variance of MCV (i.e. RDW) which is impactful rather than the MCV itself which makes me wonder, once again, about the higher heterogeneity of the aging population sample as I was mentioning in the previous thread. Worth to follow!
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albedo
To modify my hypothesis slightly, the blood geometry factors may not reflect senescent blood cells per se, since the body replaces blood cells fairly regularly. Rather, enlarged out-of-geometry blood cells reflect the presence of toxins and bad chemical signals generated by senescent body cells with which the blood cells come into close contact.
I tried to refine our estimate of the influence of the factors used in computing the Levine PhenoAge by making a 5% increase in each single variable and observing the change (in years) it made in the PhenoAge. The results, ranking the influences in order, are shown in the tablebelow. What doesn't show up here is the size of the expected variation of the variable. For example, the C-reactive protein value can change by orders of magnitude in the presence of a wound or infection.
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JGC
The following paper adds to what mentioned previously and confirms the important role of RDW. WRT mortality and morbidity the paper is no surprise as the meta-analysis is based on similar cohorts as the Levine et al paper. However an interesting comment on the mechanisms seems confirming what discussed: the role of inflammation (and oxidative stress), the higher heterogeneity point I made in my previous posts and the independent prediction capability:
“The mechanisms through which RDW increases with age and is associated with mortality have not been defined; however, it is possible that oxidative stress and inflammation play a role given that both can reduce RBC survival (16,17), leading to a more mixed population of RBC volumes in the circulation. In patients with conditions characterized by increased levels of oxidative stress, such as Down syndrome (18), poor pulmonary function (19), and dialysis (20), RDW values are elevated. Analyses of the NHANES III data showed that decreased serum antioxidant levels, including carotenoids, selenium, and vitamin E, were also associated with increased RDW, although adjusting for these antioxidants did not meaningfully attenuate the RDW-to-mortality association (5). In addition to reduced RBC survival, inflammation might further influence RDW levels by disrupting erythropoiesis. Indeed, it is believed that the increased prevalence of anemia with advancing age is due, in part, to the effects of proinflammatory cytokines on inhibiting the proliferation of erythroid progenitor cells and downregulating erythropoietin receptor expression (17,21,22). Perturbations in erythropoiesis can lead to more variation in cell sizes exiting the bone marrow and might increase RDW. Importantly, however, RDW was more strongly associated with mortality in nonanemic than in anemic older adults (Figure 4). In the NHANES III, adjustment for C-reactive protein, fibrinogen level, and white blood cell count did not substantially alter the effect of RDW on mortality, even though each of these factors was strongly related to RDW and mortality (5).”
Patel KV, Semba RD, Ferrucci L, et al. Red cell distribution width and mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2010;65(3):258-65.
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albedo
That's interesting. I note that the "blood age" version 3.0 calculation on the Aging AI website doesn't even include RDW as one of its input variables.
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JGC
Yes, thank you. I did not realize that. MCV is included though. ML/AI are black boxes though which lack the explanatory power of system biology approaches but can generate hypotheses to test. On the other side Horvath’s reply to your note seems also to indicate we do not have a biological understanding underlying the step 1 algorithm neither. I also understand the role of DNA methylation in step 2 is also not completely clear (they try to understand in step 3) in particular its associative or causative role in aging.
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JGC
Along the lines of the answer you got from Dr. Horvath (thank you), Dr. Levine answered my note on the relative roles played by the clinical biomarkers used for the phenotypic age calculation. While recognizing the RDW's big impact on the estimate, she warns the weights listed in the table were not standardized to allow for a direct comparison.
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JGC Thanks for the Aging AI page. I'm 52, the spreadsheet puts me at 40 and Aging.ai 3.0 puts me at 28, FWIW.
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DanMcL
DanMcL said:
JGC Thanks for the Aging AI page. I'm 52, the spreadsheet puts me at 40 and Aging.ai 3.0 puts me at 28, FWIW.Interesting. Have you tried also the V 1.0, just curious? It includes 41 parameters (vs. 19 of V 3.0) and I think it should be more accurate. In my case V 3.0 has been giving systematically way too low values.
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JGC
JGC said:
albedo
Dr. Steve Horvath answered, saying that they did not have any explanation of the relative weight strengths because it was a numerical optimization that didn't involve human judgement. My own theory is that the two blood geometry factors are so important in determining the Phenotypic Ager because senescent blood cells have a different geometry from normal blood cells and their increased presence trends to increase both MCV and RDW.Along the lines of the answer you got from Dr. Horvath (thank you), Dr. Levine answered my note on the relative roles played by the clinical biomarkers used for the phenotypic age calculation. While recognizing the RDW's big impact on the estimate, she warns the weights listed in the table were not standardized to allow for a direct comparison.
“...In statistics, standardized [regression] coefficients, also called beta coefficients or beta weights, are the estimates resulting from a regression analysis that have been standardized so that the variances of dependent and independent variables are 1.[1] Therefore, standardized coefficients refer to how many standard deviations a dependent variable will change, per standard deviation increase in the predictor variable…. Standardization of the coefficient is usually done to answer the question of which of the independent variables have a greater effect on the dependent variable in a multiple regression analysis, when the variables are measured in different units of measurement (for example, income measured in dollars and family size measured in number of individuals).”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_coefficient
This is something I would expect to be considered on future follow on works. Would you agree?
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albedo I'll try the earlier version, but assuming they used machine learning (a deep NN) for this, while larger (more input parameters) is generally better even more it's the population data. For example, if I was doing this (I'm a machine learning engineer) I would just take the blood results and age from a large population and make a conv net from that. Easy, but the population has a hidden skew which is it is made up of people who eat the SAD (Standard American Diet) and probably few if nobody like us who practice extreme health habits. So we're probably outliers, my numbers (cholesterol, WBC, etc) are so low they flag in the reports.
So your typical 28 year old they measured is still eating SAD, so perhaps we don't fit in the sample set.
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DanMcL
DanMcL said:
albedo I'll try the earlier version, but assuming they used machine learning (a deep NN) for this, while larger (more input parameters) is generally better even more it's the population data. For example, if I was doing this (I'm a machine learning engineer) I would just take the blood results and age from a large population and make a conv net from that. Easy, but the population has a hidden skew which is it is made up of people who eat the SAD (Standard American Diet) and probably few if nobody like us who practice extreme health habits. So we're probably outliers, my numbers (cholesterol, WBC, etc) are so low they flag in the reports.
So your typical 28 year old they measured is still eating SAD, so perhaps we don't fit in the sample set.Hi Dan. It is great to have you insight on these ML estimators as you work in the field and you must understand exactly what they are doing. I suggest you read both papers they refer to in their web site resp. for V 1.0 and V 3.0. But maybe in the meantime you might refer to the same group overview, see section "4.1.3. Multi-modal biomarkers" in the review paper:
Zhavoronkov A, Mamoshina P, Vanhaelen Q, Scheibye-knudsen M, Moskalev A, Aliper A. Artificial intelligence for aging and longevity research: Recent advances and perspectives. Ageing Res Rev. 2018;49:49-66.
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albedo Thanks for the pointers, I'll try to find some time. I am focused on another project you folks might find interesting though, which is a DNN for doing regression analysis of biomarkers. For example, in another thread (under self testing) I talk about a bunch of biomarkers I measure every morning, based originally on Steve Perry's set and augmented. I've since added ECG, galvanic skin response (autonomous emotional state), EEG and a few others. Anyhow once I've got a collection I'll see what can be done with it. Regression analysis (e.g. how the variables change relative to one another) is one approach. The problem is of course is having a population of 1, and even if I put a web page up there are few people measuring this much data. I might ping Steve and get access to his data. Anyhow, WIP ...
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DanMcL
DanMcL said:
Thanks for the pointers, I'll try to find some time. I am focused on another project you folks might find interesting though, which is a DNN for doing regression analysis of biomarkers.....Hi Dan, in case you will find some time to look at the two papers Insilico Medicine gives to reference resp. the v 1.0 and v 3.0 of their aging.ai predictor, maybe you can have a clue on why the two versions differ so largely. In my case v 3.0 is systematically lower than v 1.0, in average -33%. I only did a superficial reading of the two different references so maybe I am missing a crucial point likely in the ML process they use. Thank you !
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albedo papers summarize and show results so unless they call out your question specifically you usually have to contact the authors directly. In this case the approach they took is standard and they have a large population (120kish) from three countries, should be pretty good. Unless you/we are 1/1M (1 in a million) instead of 1/111k or better the network should be a good estimator.
Anyhow I’m definitely an outlier so the network is probably a poor predictor, and the discrepancy isn’t clear. Other than when networks mispredict they often do so badly.
28 for me seems too low. Or is it? My blood work is awfully good. They claim good generalization so are confident.
You might send an email, they might answer.
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Dan Well, the 19 marker aging.ai puts me at 59. I am 85. To be fair, I am in great shape except for hypothyroidism diagnosed at 54, hypertension diagnosed around 30, type 2 DM diagnosed at 39, chronic kidney disease diagnosed at 81 (I suspect the last one to have been iatrogenic). Truth be told, I have been quite conscientious about researching my afflictions and almost always doing what seemed logical to do, however boring or against my desires. Until now I thought that I was probably about 10 - 15 years "younger" than my chronological age, and my physicians have concurred as well. In a way I still think so... 😉
I live in Sweden now and my PCP told me that at my chronological age the tax payers can't afford to pay for all the blood and urine tests I keep asking for. Problem...
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JGC thanks for the spreadsheet. FWIW I have Ptypic Age of 40.35 and est DNAm Age of 39.97 (I'm 53) - so by this measure I'm biologically 40, which is approximately what I would guess to be my biological age, so pretty good on that count.
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Dan Wow! That's really great work Dan! You should write a book on how you are doing it or do you per chance have a website explaining your methods?
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Dan I feel like I'm doing about everything possible having adopted many of the practices/recommendations of Ray Kurzwiel (for several yrs.), Dr. Kauffman (for over a year), Dr. Longo, etc. but my Phenotypic age came in around 69 today w/ chrono age 75 so only 6 yr. difference.
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Here's an useful small hack - put your numbers in and vary them to see how you can make your bio age go backwards and by what degree. For instance driving your glucose down by 10 points gives you an extra year (at least for my numbers). Higher albumin is better (liver function I believe), as is lower creatinine (indicating healthy kidneys). This can be useful as a tool for what to work on with your blood panel. For example weighing the value of driving glucose down compared to the difficulty (e.g. lifestyle) of doing so.
I think for me the takeaway is the this looks like a good way to estimate the biological age of your blood only. This should be combined with other measures (e.g. reaction time, cardiovascular health, VO2max, etc) to create an overall estimate of your biological age. For weighings, in the absence of better estimates they could all simply be averaged together.
For example, a typical 10 year old has excellent blood work, excellent cardio, balance, reaction time, etc and would come out as being 10 years old. But compare to a poor kid growing up in a nutrition starved environment, presumably that would reflect in their results (slow reaction time, blood work, etc) and they could come out older.
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JGC Is the current link to the spreadsheet based directly on the Levine algorithm, or your modified version where you tried to "correct" it to align more closely to the derived methylation profile? As I've posted before, the former is IMO more valuable as it is more directly related to actual health outocmes than the methylation profile; if this is the "modified" version, may I suggest/request that you post both versions and explain the difference?
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Iðunn
The last two boxes on the last line of the spreadsheet are based on my fit to the methylation profile and are labeled with "est." indicating that it is an estimate. Everything else is an implementation of the Levine algorithm. The spreadsheet calculates the Levine values and then uses them in the s=estimate. I don't see the need to post both versions. Just ignore those two boxes if you don't trust them.
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Note about Downloading the Spreadsheet
In Chrome, if you click on the LINK above, a non-functional version of the spreadsheet appears on the screen in a new tab. However, at the upper right on that screen, there is a "Download" pull-down menu that can be used to download a functional version of the spreadsheet.
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JGC Thanks a bunch JGC! I finally got the spreadsheet to work w/ that info! Age 75, Pheno age 69 but I was missing 2-3 numbers so had to use guesses but still nice to get a bit of confirmation that my work is likely to be paying off!
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albedo said:
JGC
Along the lines of the answer you got from Dr. Horvath (thank you), Dr. Levine answered my note on the relative roles played by the clinical biomarkers used for the phenotypic age calculation. While recognizing the RDW's big impact on the estimate, she warns the weights listed in the table were not standardized to allow for a direct comparison.JGC DanMcL
Thinking about the weights in Levine et al paper and the discussion here and in the previous thread on their relative importance, I wonder if you have any take on her reply that they are not standardized to allow for a direct comparison.
Happy and healthy new year!
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albedo
I take her reply to mean that the weights came out of an inscrutable digital optimization, with no input from the researchers as to what the importance of the input factors should be. As for the "standardized" comment, I don't know what that means or how it would be done.
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JGC
I understand and I am a bit disappointed this is not addressed in the paper, neither it is in the Phenotypic Age paper yet to be published though.
For "standardized" I understand it as previously mentioned but of course I might be wrong and never went really through the details, I might ask the authors again.
“...In statistics, standardized [regression] coefficients, also called beta coefficients or beta weights, are the estimates resulting from a regression analysis that have been standardized so that the variances of dependent and independent variables are 1.[1] Therefore, standardized coefficients refer to how many standard deviations a dependent variable will change, per standard deviation increase in the predictor variable…. Standardization of the coefficient is usually done to answer the question of which of the independent variables have a greater effect on the dependent variable in a multiple regression analysis, when the variables are measured in different units of measurement (for example, income measured in dollars and family size measured in number of individuals).”
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albedo JGC
Yes that's the correct quote in this context I believe. In simple terms they found the coefficients from a model fit (the model has many inputs and from a large sample set), so in this sense it's only relevant/accurate by plugging all your values into the resultant equation. To 'standardize' the variables would mean that you would be able to look at them in isolation.
I think it gets back to my hack earlier; the most accurate way of learning how to 'optimize' your blood work would be to play with the numbers in the spread sheet and see how they affect the output. But going further and saying one variable is 'more important' than another is going out on a limb.
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DanMcL albedo
You may recall that a month ago I made 5% variations in all the variables and generated a table that is shown above. This indicated the importance of age, RCDW, MCV, and glucose in influencing the resulting value. What it doesn't show is the correlations between the variables (i.e, are they measuring the same thing), which would show up in a more thorough statistical analysis.
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JGC DanMcL
Thank you for your replies. Food for thought ...
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Thank you JGC for making this excellent spreadsheet.
From your calculations RDW, MCV and glucose are the top three markers affecting PhenoAge. It seems all three can be changed with dietary interventions, namely reducing iron, increasing HDL, and altering food choices to reduce insulin. I looked at my bloodwork from twelve years ago and I my PhenoAge has declined 10 years. I am now 57 with a PhenoAge of 45. My wife is 48 with a PhenoAge of 33.
With this new knowledge I will work on reducing iron further and see what the calculator has to say.
It might be useful for people to share their data and the slowest agers habits might then be able to be copied by others.
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Anyone here who tried to compare aging.ai and Levine's Phenotypic Age results?
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Thanks much JGC! Finally, a decent (r=.94 vs. .8 for aging.ai according to Mike Lustgarten, ie. much better correlation).
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Dennis
I guess you refer to this reference right?
https://michaellustgarten.com/2019/09/09/quantifying-biological-age/
(also, what Mike Lustgarten refers to as "PhenoAge" should be referred to as "Phenotypic Age" as in the original Levine's paper, IMHO)
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Dennis
For the record, at 64 I have aging.ai at 40 and Phenotypic Age at 50, over 15 years a quadratic fit shows r=0.73 and r=0.89 respectively.
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albedo Right!
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albedo I corrected this to "Phenotypic Age" in the original post. Thanks!
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michael lustgarten
Thank you. Must absolutely free time to look more at your great blog. We have a very similar approach. I am also on Loncecity and its Biological Age thread in particular. I recollect a particular attention to AI and microbiome which is essential, it is one of my next steps.
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Thanks for the great info JGC! I just got my bloodwork the other day but they gave me a BUN/creatinine ratio vs. just creatinine and I haven't been able to get the spreadsheet to work since I am retired and don't have a spreadsheet program. I have all the other info and would love to know my pheno age after a year on Met and 8 months on Rap. etc. Uping my DHEA, Zn, and HGH secretagogues after the Fahy art. Any suggestions anyone? I imagine if I call and pester them, I could get a creatinine value since they must have it since they have the ratio! I have been using fisetin, quercetin and PL as well as the LEF senolytic tabs, and NMN, etc., so am doing pretty good at 75.
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Dennis
Great. Really wonder why you only have the ratio. I have done a couple of tests in US in the past (LabCorp) and always got BUN and Creatinine separately as in my my EU lab. Here (EU) they usually do not give RDW (but MCV) but I extrapolated my US values. I would ask them.
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Dennis
I haven't actually tried it, but I believe that OpenOffice, which is free, provides an Excel-like alternative that will execute my spreadsheet.
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Dennis Google sheets works with the file. It's free.
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Larry Thanks!
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Dennis said:
Uping my DHEA, Zn, and HGH secretagogues after the Fahy art.What do you take as HGH secretagogues? Also have you ever checked also your IGF-1? Just curious, need to have that in good balance too, not too high, not too low.
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albedo Don't see an IGF-1 listed this last time but I'll check back later since I don't remember it being of concern. I'm trying Arg but even more importantly have upped my workouts since that can up HGH like 350% vs. Arg which you have to take like 12-15g to even get a 100% increase if memory serves me.
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I used Google Sheets which worked great with the Excel file. I'm 58 years old. My AI3.0 age was 38, my Phenotypic age is 45.17 and my DNAage using a urine sample was 63! That last number is terrible and is in the >99 percentile. What the hell is with that? Something really wrong with my kidneys? All my lab work looks normal. 😲
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Again and again (on myself and those daring to share results) I am seeing AI 1.0 higher than AI 3.0 with a trend different than Phenotypic Age and DNAage (not done yet) much closer to CA. Looking at trends there looks to be a sort of break-even intercept with AI (both versions) higher than Phenotypic Age at low CA and vice-versa at higher CA. Phenotypic Age includes CA and increases monotonically with CA. I wonder about statistical and ethnicity biases. I guess large longitudinal population studies would be needed to compare results.
@Larry
I would not panic. Look carefully at your clinical, check you eGFR and other kidney markers, read, fight aging but be happy!
CA=chronological age
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Larry You said you did a DNAage test with URINE? I did one July 2020, it was a blood kit using latest Horvath clock. I am 55 yo, came back 52 (85th percentile).
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The relative important weight of RDW in Levine's Phenotypic Age might be possibly explained:
"...Variability in red blood cell (RBC) volumes (RBC distribution width: RDW) increases with age and is a strong predictor of mortality, incident CAD and cancer. In a study of 116,666 UK Biobank volunteers, genetic variants explained 29% of RDW individuals aged over 60 years and 33.8% of RDW in those aged < 50 years [222]. RDW was associated with 194 independent genetic signals (119 intronic), 71 implicated in autoimmune disease, body mass index, Alzheimer’s disease, longevity, age at menopause, bone density, myostasis, Parkinson’s disease and age-related macular degeneration. Pathway analysis showed enrichment for telomere maintenance, ribosomal RNA and apoptosis..."
Morris BJ, Willcox BJ, Donlon TA. Genetic and epigenetic regulation of human aging and longevity. Biochim Biophys Acta Mol Basis Dis. 2019;1865(7):1718-1744.
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link gives a 404 error - page not found
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Paul Beauchemin I put a an alternate download link in my post here to help out: http://www.nickengerer.org/longevity-and-wellness/three-biological-age-tests
hopefully the authors here can fix it soon!
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What a great resource! I am very glad I found this discussion. I shared my results, along with a comparison to 2x other free online tests here:
http://www.nickengerer.org/longevity-and-wellness/three-biological-age-tests
For those of you having issues downloading the excel sheet above, I provided another link for getting it in my post.
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Dr Nick Engerer
Happy you liked this resource. Please also refer to the other thread and my comment to your interesting post: https://forum.age-reversal.net/t/3654ra?r=y7v4mz
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used the spreed sheet to order importance of variable without age for me(I think it is a correlated factor plus it is uncontrollable). Used a 10% improvement to look at the age improvement generated. Had a slightly different order than JGC. RDW and MCV still most important. Third/fourth factors related to kidney function, which based on my blood work is not surprising.
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Is that link supposed to still be live? I can't seem to open it.
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Charles Richardson
I just tried the originsl link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wj94be28lt9k7q/DNAmPhenoAge_gen.xls?dl=0
and it works for me.
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JGC Thanks, I got a 404 error on that link, but I had downloaded it from somewhere else...can't remember exactly where, but I have it.
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Charles Richardson FYI to you and to others who can't get the above link to work, I have posted the spreadsheet file on my website as well:
http://www.nickengerer.org/longevity-and-wellness/three-biological-age-tests
That should help you & others!
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JGC I get the 404 error as well when clicking on the link posted 2 days ago. I tried with Safari and Chrome.
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Jenna Taylor Jenna Taylor Hey guys, I also had this issue, but had a copy of the spreadsheet so I posted it in my blog post about this topic here:
http://www.nickengerer.org/longevity-and-wellness/three-biological-age-tests
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I put a copy of the Levine Spreadsheet on MS Cloud. Here's the LINK to it. Hope that works better than DropBox.
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JGC God Bless, Thank you
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THANK YOU, JGC . I was able to open it. Looking forward to seeing the results. Also, thank you for posting this here it is a real service for those of us who are "light" on the math. Jenna
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I have seen the exel sheet that uses Levine's paramteres & coefficents to calculate
MortScore
What confuses me is a parameter "t" in years
I donot tunderstand the meaning of it.
For example, you can put 10 years or 20 years.
Mortality Score changes. And that is expected. The longer the time frame, the higher the probability of mortality.
However, the resulting phenoage also changes. That does not make sense to me.
Can someone please explain?
Thank You
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Zisos Katsiapis
Based on the input parameters, among other things the spreadsheet calculates the "Mortality Score", which is the probability that you will die of age-related causes in the next "t" years. In their paper, Levine, et al, use t=10 years, but you can change this if you wish.
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JGC
Thank you for your responce.
Yes, I have noticed it. And it is reasonable that as I change "t" from 10 years to 20 years, the probability that I will die will increase. The excel sheet reflects that.
But this is not my question.
There is also another value in the sheet: phenoage
I assume that it is my "Biological Age", as computed by the formula.
This I did not expect to change, when I change the value of "t".
For example, if I use t=20, my phenoage is increased substantialy !
This is what I do not understand.
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Zisos Katsiapis
There are two angles from where we can look at your question to hopefully clarify:
Construction
You need to realize how the Phenotypic Age (*) is calculated. You need to spend a bit of time to understand the construct and refer to the original paper (DOI: 10.18632/aging.101414) and the Supplementary Methods (mainly the “Overview of the phenotypic age estimate” and the Step 4 in the “Statistical details on the Gompertz proportional hazards model for phenotypic age estimation” sections): in essence once you have the mortality score, you convert in units of years, which gives the Phenotypic Age, by solving the CDF (Cumulative Distribution Function) equation CDF(120,xj)=CDF.univariate(120,agej) for the variable agej. Hence, if the mortality score changes, it is normal phenotypic age (so constructed) changes too.
Chronological Age
This and other methods to assess the biological age (BA) vs chronological age (CA) use CA as one of the biomarkers (in Levine you have 9 clinical biomarker + age). Some do not agree on the procedure and propose methods not using CA. This is a discussion in progress. In any case what also seems intuitive is that, as we age, the heterogeneity of health status of individuals, basically the spread around the CA, increases which is what a BA (like the Levine’s Phenotypic Age) tries to precisely capture, hopefully predicting healthspan and lifespan. Therefore, also here, BA increases as CA increases. I recollect some talking generally about BA as a metaphor of the individual health heterogeneity as we age.
I hope this helps.
(*) To avoid confusion, as I often emphasized also in this thread, this is how Levine refers to it in her two papers (DOI: 10.18632/aging.101414, DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.1002718): I think she reserves what you call phenoage to “DNAm PhenoAge” which involves DNA methylation.
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albedo
Going into the details of the calculation does not really help me. I can see the calculations. But intuitively it does not make sense to me.
As I understand it, both "Levine’s Phenotypic Age" and “DNAm PhenoAge” attempt to measure someone's "Biological Age". It depends only on the health condition of the person, and should depend ONLY in facts (I.e. Blood measurements). Not in parameters that I choose.
Is my understanding correct?
Now in regard to calculations:
When I choose 10 years for "t", in the excel I get a value for "MortScore"
By Entering 20 years, for "t" "MortScore" will increase. That makes sense. There is more chance that I will die in 20 years, than in 10 years.
But my health condition does not change just because I chose an arbitrary parameter of "t"=20 instead of 't"=10 years. Since my health condition does not change when I change the parameter , it seems resonable to me that "Ptypic Age" and "DNAm Phenoage" (which are measures of my Biological Age) should not change. But in the excel sheet, they do ! This does not make sense to me. -
Zisos Katsiapis
The spreadsheet actually calculates the mortality score first and then converts that to the phenoage. The relation for the conversion, supplied by the Levine group, is based on the assumption that t=10 years. It's probably to generalize the conversion relation to include a variable t, but that's not what was in the paper.
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JGC
Thank you for clarification.
Maybe a note should be made in the excel sheet that calculations of "Ptypic Age" and "DNAm Phenoage" are valid only for t=10 years
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Zisos Katsiapis
You have risen an interesting point on the assumption of the 10 years parameter. Maybe we should focus on the mortality rate rather that phenotypic age the latter being a convenient conversion to units of years. This is what Levine's team write in the second paper (DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.1002718): "...In general, a person’s
Phenotypic Age signifies the age within the general population that corresponds with
that person’s mortality risk. For example, 2 individuals may be 50 years old chronologically, but one may have a Phenotypic Age of 55 years, indicating that he/she has the average mortality risk of someone who is 55 years old chronologically, whereas the other may have a Phenotypic Age of 45 years, indicating that he/she has the average mortality risk of someone who is 45 years old chronologically..." -
albedo I think you are right. Isn't mortality risk and frailty all we really care about anyway? (other than looking old)
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albedo
This makes a lot of sense.
Your interpretation of "Ptypic Age" and "DNAm Phenoage" clears my confusion.
I had assumed that "Ptypic Age" and "DNAm Phenoage" should be interpreted as a proxy for my current Biological Age. It cannot be interpreted as such, because it would mean that I can change my current Biological Age by changing the parameter "t".
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Does anyone know how to go from a x10^9/L Unit to a % for Lympocyte and 10^3/uL to x10^9/L for White Blood Cells? My blood tests don't have the same units as the spreadsheet.
Thanks.
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Patrick Jane
The unit x10^9/L is the same as x10^3/uL because there are 10^6 uL in 1 L. There is no obvious way to convert x10^9/L to a %, unless you know the concentration of the other blood cell types. If you knew those, it would be the ratio of Lympocytes to all cells times 100%.
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Anar Isman
Can you please check the two reference links in the webpage? They seem pointing to the same information.
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albedo done. thank you for pointing this out.
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Anar Isman the links are not working
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