[FAQ] How to work with the medical system
Caveat: This is US centric. I have a little experience with Japan and EU medical systems and think it will work differently there. The US system has big issues (cost mainly), but in a typically American fashion you can get what you want if you work at it and can pay for it. Some advice is probably generally useful however.
I'd like to post information on how to successfully navigate the medical system. I'd encourage people to use the system the way it's meant to be used - to help patients live disease free - rather than going through other channels to get what they need. It's not hard to get a lot using conventional means, but like any system medicine has a culture that has to be navigated properly, so I'm here to help you learn how to do that.
Using this approach has gotten me to where I've got all the treatments I want, at very reasonable costs, and all within the aegis of the medical system with prescriptions to back them. up. You can buy overseas but that carries more risk and expense, I took the approach of doing everything by the book, and while it took some work it wasn't that hard. Also consider that this is supporting more physicians offering these services as there's money in it. Here's how I did it.
- Make a game plan. I'm talking tests, medications and treatments. You can get a lot for cheap or free through your MD and existing health insurance. Had your GI tract checked? What about the arteries into your heart, or the condition of your heart valves?
- Be clear to yourself what you want. Don't be cowed by the medical system. Always remember that it is there to serve you. If you get somebody who has the proverbial stick in a dark place, don't get upset just go elsewhere. Medical treatments are all opinion based, so find somebody that aligns with your opinion.
- Do lots of research and use the support here. What you are doing is not weird. This is all science based.
- However, messaging is important. I find that coming to it from a standpoint of I want to have a good health span (combined with a concern such as family history) rather than "I want to live forever" is something that people can understand better and works really well.
- Family history counts for a lot with them (it shouldn't). Had any cancer in your family, heart disease? Trot it out.
- Harden yourself, go in expecting you might get a hostile physician. These can be hard to deal with if you're not prepared. Just follow my advice below, and if they are such then politely say that "we're probably not a good fit" and go elsewhere. That's normal and fine, but know that due to the Hippocratic oath they can't refuse you, so what they'll do is try to shut you down. Don't let them, just walk.
General advice to finding an MD to work with, broken down to the different categories. Realize you might get (and want) to have a team of physicians, all working independently on different aspects of your health.
Expect you have to go to a specialist to get Senolytics, NAD and the other newer treatments. Don't expect a regular GP to be comfortable with using a cancer drug as a senolytic, no matter the peer reviewed research. The clinics run about 10 years behind the research, and they generally only move forward as a group.
- Before you start write down what you want. Do your research, different people have different approaches, know what yours is.
- Come in with blood work and history in hand. It goes much smoother when they can review all your detailed data before hand. I give them the following
- LE Male Elite panel within the last year
- Most recent focused blood work (e.g. hormones)
- List of all the supplements and quantities I take
- Life medical history description in one page, including parents and family medical issues such as any cancer and heart disease
- Any medications (e.g. Metformin)
- Genome work (I supply 23andMe and a full genome report, usually MD's don't look at it but it's there anyhow)
- General clinical stats (weight, height, BP, etc)
- Start with the physician directory on this site
- Try people locally, expect that you may have to do more or less travel (nobody said aging was easy, nor anti-aging!)
- (USA) Some of them do telemedicine and might be licensed for your state (physicians have to be licensed to work in each state, it's not a federal licensing)
- Talk to their admin first over the phone. They're usually quite knowledgeable and you can discover if the MD will be a good fit or not. If it looks good set up an appointment.
- Let the admin know, or when you first meet what specifically you are looking for. Find out if they can help you. If they can't or won't, politely offer to save their time and cancel the appointment. Initial consults are expensive, if you can duck out after 10 minutes because of a bad fit, see if you can pay prorated for the visit. No point in barking up the wrong tree, and MD's are bound by the Hippocratic oath to help you even if they can't, so be proactive about cutting it off.
- I look for the following
- There are no silver bullets, I don't trust MD's that think there are. Ones that admit grey areas is a good thing to me.
- Understand their thinking and why. Do they base it on the original research, plus their interpretation? That's a good approach, really the only one.
Yes a lot can be done with your local GP! Metformin, for example. Check your fasting, is it below 100? Mine started to rise to 100, probably due to hormones doing poorly with aging. But with my state of health this shouldn't be occurring. Now a fasting 100 is gold to my physician, but my local aging MD was happy to give me script for Metformin (at $180/visit twice a year). So with a script in hand, and simply telling my personal GP that while 100 was not diabetic I wanted to keep it below 85. Anyhow they were fine with 'taking over' the script. They prescribe a lot of Metformin, and coming in with already having another MD prescribe it paved the way, plus my personal desire to get it really in good shape. So long story short my insurance pays for it 100% and I get refills simply by requesting it via my online account portal.
- Realize that doing Senolytics is unlikely with a GP, but Metformin and even NAD are possible.
- Other things to thing about is testing, such as a CACS (have you done one???). Or a pill cam, or all sorts of checkups that your insurance will pay for. I got a cardiosonogram, a CACS, numerous EKG's and a halter practically for free, just on the basis of some heart skips, and because I approached it the right way. All that just verified no issues with the heart (CACS score of 0.8%!) which is great peace of mine and proof I'm doing the right thing.
- I find the following works with MD's, don't give a windup, simply start off with what you want and give them an option to offer their opinion. This is important! Let them give you their thoughts, if it's too different from yours then you know it won't work, no hard feelings. But much of the time, if given a chance to speak they'll go along with you anyhow.
- For example "I would like to do a pill cam to check out my entire GI track, what do you think of that?"
- If they say no way, they don't believe in it, they won't do it, then say no problem and go find another physician! These are reasonable requests that any MD should support, but I've seen plenty of chuckleheads who think they know everything.
- If they're not completely adamant then countering with "I understand what you're saying, but I still feel that this is a good course for me" works very well.
- The key is to state your intentions, and the importance of giving them a chance to state their opinion. Most of the time they are open to it.
- A lot of the time they'll mention costs, it helps to have a HSA account, I always counter with "I'll pay" or "I have a high deductible plan so will pay" to get that out of the way.
- If they demure, nicely stick to your guns that you would like to do it, and usually they'll relent.
- I found that getting into the science isn't necessary (I never had to do it). Basically either they support it or not, touting some research makes no difference and just drags on the visit.
- Pro tip - work with a Nurse Practitioner rather than a MD. They are always (in my experience) much more open and easier to work with, the MD's are much more opinionated. Also, one that is younger, female (common) and a generally relaxed person are much more open (SP types in MBTI speak, rather than SJ). I hand picked one such and we work wonderfully together. She gets that I'm a health nut and is fine with it.
- Pro tip - keep your intentions clear. Don't muddy the visit with irrelevancies, basically you're looking for something specific, don't demand, but keep it on topic and don't let them wash over you with their opinion. You are the consumer.
- Pro tip - functional medicine is big these days. I've been to a handful. Be a little cautious here but don't discount them. Again it really depends on the MD. Some of them will send you to a million tests and want to sell you special branded supplements and such. It's a great money maker. But not all, my present MD is listed as functional but I think that's just so he can do newer things like senolytics, but otherwise I'm not seeing much of a functional approach.
- Pro tip - beware of the 'one size fits all' approach. For diet I follow Dr Fuhrman and company. Whole foods vegan, but I'm not religious about it and I have disagreements. But to the practitioners in the field it's sacred. They believe that everything is fixed by food and they stay away from pills and general medicine. I take a hybrid approach because No Virginia, food alone won't slow down aging.
- Pro tip - while physicians and pharmacies have to be state licensed you can have a pharmacy mail to an address in a state they are licensed in. Where it goes from there is your business. For example consider friends, relatives and forwarding mail box brick and mortars. An exception is hormones which are ‘controlled’, they have to go to you directly on a verified home address (e.g. drivers license), but it’s perfectly fine to have a general prescription filled order forwarded to your address (disclaimer: this is not legal or medical advice). Having said that a lot of physicians and compounding pharmacies are multi licensed, check around. Consider
- Pack and ship stores
- Local physicians to the source (e.g. a pharmacy) that are licensed in your state (they can prescribe and forward the medications). Again look into telemedicine, a few phone calls can get you set up.
- Pro tip - realize that time is money to an MD. Typically their bonuses are paid based on how quickly they see patients (yes this is how it works according to a MD friend of mine). Don't waste time talking about this and that. I mean some small talk and peripheral talk is part of the visit, but be clear that you are there to get something specific. You know what you want and it's their job to either give it to you, or to not, you're not there to get their learned opinion which is decades out of date. But again be sure to let them say their piece, it's won't work and isn't relationship building to just demand without some give and take. So before a visit I am clear in my mind what I want (e.g. a test or a medication typically, sometimes a question as yes there are cases where their experience is valuable, and sometimes a referral). Then as I said above I'm clear from the beginning, then it's basically a dicker between to two of us as to how to proceed.
- Pro tip - related to the previous one, realize that they are balancing the following. One is the length of the visit, they have another patient coming up and are probably running late anyhow. Two they don't ever want to come up to a medical review board, so they have a comfort zone. Three is they do have tremendous leeway in what they can do. So again picking MD's that already have lots of background in something, such as prescribing Metformin, is a good thing. Finally I think the more general a MD the better. Specialists oftentimes (not always) have very particular ideas and are set in their ways. Finally getting a read on their personality. The things I look for is
- Are they relaxed (good) or super particular (usually not good)
- Are they detail oriented (usually not good) or do they see the big picture (good)
- Do they want to stick you in a category? Important one - on finding that you are trying to extend your life most or many MD's will check a box that says "Health nut" or some such. Ideally you don't want to trigger that.
- Pro Tip - Watch for body language. If you say something they don't like, with female MD's it's common for them to look down. With male MD's typically they'll give you a little smile. In either case they won't say anything. If you see this reaction then gracefully drop whatever you were talking about and continue along another tactic. Story about this - I experienced blood in my ejaculate some years ago. Scary, but my Urologist found nothing wrong and thought we could dig into it but would not be likely to find anything. We did copious research on the internet and found a lot of men with the same issue and guess what? They all mentioned that they were rather dehydrated from drinking alcohol or whatever. So I did an experiment and could turn it on or off like a tap! Rather amazing, I then started tracking my H2O consumption using an app and never got it again. I told my Urologist as a FYI and got the little smile ... oh well.
If you're getting your heart checked out (which I highly recommend) then you need a cardiologist referral. A few tips for navigating that
- I don't have a lot of experience with cardiologists and specialists, but family history and wanting to 'trust but verify' seems to work well. Asking for more procedures is OK, again with the reminder that you'll pay for it. CYA appears to be big to these folks.
- You need a referral. Start with your MD using the techniques above. As mentioned I managed to get thousands of dollars worth of test for $500 copay with a high deductible plan, on the basis of I experienced some heart skips. They never saw it in the clinic, but using the above techniques I got to see a Cardio and had a battery of tests. I can't tell you the peace of mind knowing my heart is structurally, arterially and electrically good. Being above the age of 50 makes it easy to check these things out, and don't forget your family history! Who doesn't have heart disease, cancer or diabetes in their family?
Alternative Medicine Practitioner/MD
Naturopath and Functional fall into this category. Sometimes they have MD degrees, usually not. In my experience these are hit or miss. Functional has gotten popular, and the approach has a lot of merit but it all depends on how they do it. I've seen some who use it to send you to batteries of tests with lots of self branded supplements. To appearances it's a money maker, I'm sure their intentions are good but that's not an approach for me. On the other side many aging docs call themselves that just to give themselves an umbrella to be under (since aging isn't a recognized discipline, geriatrics is different). So again having a conversation with their assistant is a free way to figure out their modus operandi.
Here's a story to show how the system works, in inverse to how we approach it. There's been some cancer in my family, so armed with this my sister (who takes the opposite approach I do to health) has an oncologist (she never had cancer) set her up with an estrogen blocker as a cancer preventative. Her MD has 'had good success with this approach' (good success? What does that mean, they took the drug and didn't get cancer? That's meaningless! Its like clapping your hands on a sunny day and claiming that you know how to prevent it from raining, just clap your hands!).
In point of fact the research shows that lack of estrogen is a cancer promoter, as is dairy which are primary causations. Now to be fair hormones haven't gotten the amount of research that they need, and there's a lot of bad research on the books. But still, if somebody can get a hormone blocker just on the supposition that it will prevent cancer, it's as reasonable to get a senolytic, bio-identical hormone, NAD or Metformin in the supposition that it will help prevent cancer. Because, it does, according to a lot of excellent research.
I tell this story to illustrate that having an approach, a story to back it up and a sympathetic physician is how the system works, and there's a lot of variation in what that means. In these two posts I've shown two opposite approaches, both based on science, that both worked*
Long story short; get the idea out of your head that you're doing something unusual or weird. there's plenty of weird stuff already going on in the industry because medicine is tough.
* The key is interpretation. I think what the oncologist is missing is that once you have reproductive cancer then yes, hormones feed that process. But she's missing that hormones are not a cancer promoter. Otherwise all these young people would be getting cancer. I think old people get cancer because of declining hormones, then when they get a cancer, the hormones feed the process. Kind of like this, lack of hormones cripple the reproductive system because it 'feeds' off of them (e.g. the prostate uses T to make sperm). So an impaired system is prone to cancer, especially with the way people take care of themselves. But conversely reproductive cancers also feed of hormones (because they are derived from the reproductive system), so in that case it is appropriate to pull the hormones. But not before!
Even then opinions still differ, my Urologist said that they can still give T to men with prostate cancer, even though medical castration (removal of T production) is a working approach.
A very informative post, but as a physician, I am going to disagree with several of your points, and hopefully add to everyone’s understanding of how the health care system works or doesn’t work.
First off, everyone should understand that what they are doing is NOT normal or usual. It may cutting edge and a glimpse of the future, like taking penicillin in the 1930’s, but it is “weird”.
Secondly, the medical system is NOT here to SER VE you. It is here to help you. There is a troubling trend in medicine towards “the customer is always right attitude”. But in healthcare, the customer is often wrong. The easiest example of this is the patient that wants a prescription for antibiotics to treat a cold. A provider wants to help the patient, as long as the treatment is medically, scientifically the right thing to do.
I completely agree that finding a doctor from the list on this website is the best option. If you can’t, then you should expect a challenge, but don’t be demanding or hostile towards doctors you try. If you do find a doctor that will help you with this, you should be grateful, and I will explain why shortly.
You seem to put a lot of weight in a doctor’s “opinion”. A doctor’s opinion is certainly important, especially in putting together a diagnosis, but the readers here are not going to the doctor for a diagnosis. There is significantly less opinion when it comes to treatment. Treatment is strongly influenced by scientific data, the standard of care, the FDA, CMS (Medicare), Insurance companies, and medical boards and societies. None of these currently recognize Life Extension therapy.
So, most importantly, anyone that wants to go down this road of Life Extension therapy needs to understand that a doctor that helps you is going way out on a risky limb for you. They will be treating a disease that doesn’t medically exist yet. They are writing prescriptions for medications that have toxic, potentially lethal side effects and are NOT indicated for you as you do not have any illness for which the FDA has approved these drugs and for which there is no standard of care. If something bad happens to you, and you sue the doctor, that doctor will not be able to defend himself/herself. This is why so few doctors are doing this, and why people are finding ways to get these drugs without a prescription.
Again, I hope that we are on the cutting edge of a great new treatment for aging, but for now it is a challenge to go down this road.
Karl said: as a physician, "
Karl , I don't believe you.
Your posts here suggest widespread confusion in your thinking that I don't see from most other posters here.
Forums which explore "weird" therapies, often have paid agitators sent in to cause chaos and confusion to discredit everything on the forum. I'm assigning you to that category, until I see more information.
The original poster here, Dan , has often been the target of similar attacks. It is a common tactic on the Internet. Getting easier to recognise quickly,
@ Dan wrote: “This is US centric. I have a little experience with Japan and EU medical systems and think it will work differently there.”
Things certainly will work differently outside of The Homeland. I'm a retired American man, living in a foreign country for over 12 years. Here are some of the differences:
1. You don't need a doctor or hospital for most lab tests. Independent labs serve “walk ins” without an appointment. Just select the tests you want from a “menu”. Results delivered by email, most the next day.
2. Most pharmacies will sell anything you want, “over the counter”. Even benign injectables. No prescription. No doctor needed. I have bought testosterone that way.
3. Out here, away from the USA, everyone knows the “medical system” is NOT here to serve patients. Patients bring money, that's about all. Anything more than that is just good luck. So what to do? Avoid doctors and hospitals as much as possible. What I'm learning on various forums and websites helps me to be my own doctor.
4. “Science” has very little to do with anything among doctors and hospitals out here. To “be a doctor” is not a “life calling”, rather it is a title of prestige and status. Once “MD” is attached to the name, little additional effort is required.
“due to the Hippocratic oath they can't refuse you, so what they'll do is try to shut you down. Don't let them, just walk.”
Yes, indeed. And I have “walked” several times, out of hospitals and private clinics. And when I have, the staff seem shocked that I, a mere patient, can make my own decisions to act.
David Hanson said:
He could humbly ask what people here are trying to accomplish, outside the Big Doc system, and make kind suggestions. No finger pointing but something like “that rapamycin dose looks a little high to me” and here is my suggestion for a better dose.
Excellent analysis. Thank you David Hanson
Another factor, not previously mentioned: In The West today, religion has been relegated to an object of ridicule. It's place has been taken by "the health care system" and government-approved "science" by "peer review". Doctors and scientists have become the "priests" of our era.
To even suggest this, as I have just done, is heresy combined with treason. Back in The Homeland, either one of those would be a hanging offense. As suggested by Dan in a post above, "just walk". I already have. Medical care outside The Homeland is not better, but it certainly allows for more personal liberty to think for one's self.
Mike Almerjanski David Hanson Karl Thanks everybody for keeping this a civil discussion. Ultimately the medical system is an intersection between practitioners and clients, both with varying degrees of expertise. It's certainly true that the Dr isn't always right, and obviously the patient/client isn't always either. We all live in a world of evolving uncertainty. And also I'd like to make clear that I have the highest respect for medical practitioners, they are trying to help people in a difficult system. Having said that my respectfully our bodies and lives and we're the ultimate decision makers. Too often I've had physicians forcefully attempt to help me for my own good, when the advise was based on their limited experience and knowledge, or on other criteria that weren't relevant. Which is the basis for this post.
In observation of the many on many worthy comments:
I'm of the opine that all the above discussion is good. Agreements and disagreements are good in that eventually a consensus of opine comes to pass.
All the wonderful witness of personal experimentation is also very good. Heroes and life adventurers; witness.
Lets face it; anyone with the will and guts to put their own lives seriously in the human rat cage with their own life expectancy in end of game and witness; is: a hero, adventurer, and champion in my book.
At this point in history; there are longer lines on Mount Everest; than, their are serious climbers seeking to credibly extend their human life spans on planet Earth. Go figure?
So what is obvious? What is missing?
It appears there is a national and global failure to organize, plan and fund serious efforts to increase human life span.
No: not picking on any human life span extension advocate. No negative stuff there at all. Just observation. The clinical and personal trials are wonderful.
however, it appears that the failure of need perception is much higher and institutionalized. Human death is being accepted and expected on religious as well as economic grounds.
No human has a duty to die. It is the COVID-19 that is to die. Those viruses that follow COVID-19 also need to die. All the diseases that present and hasten human death are the collective disease of human aging.
Humans need to be immune system stronger and stressed by diseases less. There is no known government mission assignment to achieve that.
Like a weapon system of systems; human aging is a system of diseases. A aircraft carrier and group are a system of systems. In a way; so to is human aging. A system effect.
Human aging is a disease. It is a disease of diseases that over time results in death. That requires a strategic planning to manage and find remedy. Logically; prevention is worth pounds of cure. Point being; unless a comprehensive management plan and mission is assigned; human life spans will continue to fall. At present; the mission isn't clearly assigned; if it is at all. No real surprise that leaders are briefed about the threat of COVID-19 and didn't act. They live in denial. Proof of that is that there was no national plan to increase human life spans. Millions of dollars in intelligence budgets galore; leaders knew. The USA has the best intelligence in the world. Leaders with security clearances and need to know; can get briefed and do get briefed. Sure; they have to listen and act; otherwise, what good is intelligence? Collective amnesia for political cover won't sell history books future. So here we are. What to do?
Start with basics and truth.
Oddly; the Singularity is technically accepted and predicted. Global warming is still too denied; although, agreed to by most scientist and an increasingly large populist movement. Really? Yes; really. Imagine that. Our nation is making super intelligent machines smarter and more adaptable than humans. These machines will have longer service lives and can be upgraded and will be designed to live in environments humans cannot.
So what's happening to human life spans? Yep; decreasing.
But, at the same time, there is no national human anti-aging mission assigned or ; for that matter; any policy, planning, budgeting, resourcing. Human life span extension and goals mission definition and assignment; NOT. As such; prioritization is impossible. COVID-19 was not a surprise.
In military terms; that's broke.
It appears that the United States of America (USA) has failed to recognize aging as a disease. Tragically, same for other nations. Tragically,the USA has been experiencing average shorter human life spans for over a decade. Point being: declining human life spans is not only a human tragedy; it is an economic tragedy. Failing to recognize the gravity and tragedy of declining human life spans is not moral or ethical. Logically; that is a position herein. This COVID-19 is just a skirmish; a serious Gettysburg battle in the loss of many lives in a divided nation in a, in this case, a undeclared war against aging. The bigger war is human aging. If COVID-19 goes poof at Easter (it won't); it's a skirmish. If it last longer; it's a more serious battle. In any case; it is multi-front and global. Yet; relative to increasing human life spans; human life span increase is the real war; even if undeclared at this time in history.
Is it good sense to recognize that the mission credibly fight human aging isn't assigned and there is no credible plan for unconditional surrender.
The COVID-19 is relatively a skirmish. Where are the reserves and battle plans for the war against aging? Where are the reserves and battle plans if COVID-19 continues to become a national and global Gettysburg.
So what is wise? Humm?
Regroup; refocus; restructure; update; reorganize, and establish and expand battle plans. Clarify and assign missions. That is what will win the greater war against aging and the COVID-19 and improve the economy. That approach reduces market risk and improves success in winning the greater and all encompassing war against aging. The greater war is larger than that of COVID-19.
Maybe the whole infrastructure and planning, budgeting and resourcing; etc., needs a relook? Maybe COVID-19 is the canary in the coal mine that dies; because, there is no greater mission assigned to win it plus the skirmishes and major fronts and battle lines that follow?
Maybe the COVID-19 can force recognition that this nation is unprepared to fight a new disease without serious numbers of collateral kill? Yes, a war has been declared. Who is counting the death of innocents? Yes; they are collateral kill. The collateral kill are of all ages, races, sex preferences, skin colors. religions, economic privileges; etc. The collateral kill includes those military and civilians on the front lines as well as the planners and supporters in or out of the fight. In perspective; the COVID-19 is; but a skirmish, in the larger undeclared war against aging.
The first rule in any war is to recognize the enemy. The real enemy is human aging. COVID-19 is just a new terrorist. A new non-religious ISIS that threatens everyone. COVID-19 is an unrelenting killer that will likely attack in waves and cycles. The attackers; like all attackers, will attack, retreat and repeat the process. Its tactics will change. It will regroup; affiliate, and recruit and attack again. So where is the National Anti-aging Plan? Where is the plan of attack for the greater war against human aging? Where is the real detailed plan to win against COVID-19. No nation can spend its most dear emergency assets on one skirmish and win the greater war. Logically; there is not enough oversight and was not enough discussion.
Got to start the talk; before it can be walked.
What portion of the collateral kill is us old ones in the human life span extension game. Can we accept the predictions of what % die in interest of saving the economy? I think; NOT.
Perhaps there is no strategy or organized forces or in-place infrastructure for "unconditionally" winning the COVID-19 war. Note the word; "unconditionally." Perhaps the COVID-19 effort will last past Easter and there will be a serious loss of defensing forces as well as offensive forces? It is a war isn't it? Perhaps the war is "skirmish" (COVID-19) focused and fails to recognize the major threat (aging is a disease). Note the word "skirmish." Do we stand around and say: "Well duh." Or? Do we put the "skirmish" in perspective of the greater war against aging and regroup and reassign forces so as to win unconditionally?
I think the greater war isn't properly recognized. It is unwise to allow oneself to be blind sighted. Any good commander recognizes that simple principle of war fighting.
Wars are won by individual soldiers on the front line taking self-initiative. Should we take action? What if this phase of this COVID-19 skirmish in the undeclared war against human aging takes 12 weeks or more?
Yes, we soldiers in the age reversal fight have to do what we can do to win against COVID-19. That is an immediate challenge; but, we fight the bigger war against aging in parallel. It is just another skirmish; but, a big battle nationally and globally.
Perhaps throwing over $2 trillion betting the war will be over by Easter is a bad bet? A really ill-informed declaration of skirmish in a undeclared war against human aging. .Are nations positioning for a 12 week battle; smarter? Are they also failing to recognize the greater war against human aging.
Will this pandemic last longer than in the past? If so; are we prepared for the longer fight? Soon; we will see.
It strangely appears that when super intelligent machines appear in full force; humans will already have killed themselves and their life sustaining environment off. No need for them to fight.
The anti-aging war is about human survival. So in hard talk: Are we prepared?; Are we equipped?; Do we have a sustainable strategy?; Are we adequately resourced?; Are our soldiers (health professionals and scientist; etc.), in adequate number and maneuverable to be at battle sites when needed?; Do we have a plan to achieve unconditional surrender?
Answer is NO.
No doubt that there are many on the COVID-19 front lines and our nation is mobilized at least until Easter. Lots of wonderful and courageous are in the fight; risking their lives.
However; do we really have a plan for unconditional surrender? Are we organized and prepared for another fight emerging from the past from global warming or the bush meat eaten by the poor and starving?
I think NOT. Simply put: our nation is not yet prepared for war against aging or COVID-19 or follow on threats. Our nation doesn't have a strategy for unconditional winning or a cohesive plan that I can find on the net. No such plan fake or real is being reported by free or government presses. Is that evidence that no plan exist?
Never trust government. That is the heart of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. That is the real talk.
The recent CARES Emergency Act is arguably not a national or Defense Department strategic battle plan or strategy. It was not even debated. Its intent may be politically of good intent in the immediate term and provide political cover; but, our society is pay check to pay check. If the war only last until Easter; it was a great muster. However, if the war last 12 weeks or longer; many of our fellow seekers of profound increases in human life span will be no longer in the game.
We are 17 years into the Afghanistan War; still no plan for unconditional surrender. Our own kaputz is self-evident. Beaten by a rag tag army using drug money. That is real talk. Crazy to realize that COVID-19 is a bigger threat to ISIS and that nation's survival. It will kill many of our soldiers prior our exit; if we ever exit.
Not seeking to be an alarmist; just a realist. Trying to achieve purspective. Not taking political sides. The Congressional and Administrative COVID-19 Emergency reaction inflates the money supply and doesn't appear clearly focused or able to track expenditures in such a way to manage the cost of the war (skirmish) or sustain it if the COVID-19 battle last longer than Easter.
So what to do? Does the nation need a Manhattan Like Project on anti-aging withCOVID-19 as a subtask? Since the greater war (aging) and the skirmish (COVID-19) are both global; does the nation need to provide global leadership?
Would perspective help? Should there be a National Anti-Aging Plan with a "subtask" for preventing and curing pandemics? That would put COVID-19 in perspective for achieving planning, task & funding prioritization, assignments; etc.
Note the emphasis on "subtask." Isn't it true that average human life spans are decreasing. For sure, if millions of lives are taken by COVID-19; the average life span goes down.
Pointedly: To increase the human life span; the forces applied need planning to rationally prioritize expenditures and focus on the many fronts of a complex war. Strategic planning is seriously required. Being in an Emergency planning status is an indication of failed management from the get go. Lesson from Masters in Management Science. Situational awareness. Military talk. No room for politics. Real talk.
This COVID-19 skirmish is more than a couple week skirmish. Lets get real; our nation is fiscal and resource short. Planning is already a-mock.
Do you see the level of planning necessary for mission success? I don't. Please excuse me if I'm wrong.
Not seeking arguments; but, trying to understand why human life spans are getting shorter in the land of plenty? Why is there no National Anti-aging Plan? Why isn't aging recognized as a disease? Why wasn't COVID-19 already covered and quickly recognized as a new threat and already funded in a subtask in a National Anti-aging Plan?
Are there any anti aging Drs preferably on this sites Dr list that will do virtual 1st patient visits? I called Dr Green In NY and their board hasn't allowed virtual, need an in person 1st visit.. We are in Atlanta GA a medical desert (in my view). Hip replacement and prostrate extraction advertisements on bill boards here. LOL!
We have become accustomed to travel for medical services, but am open to saving that effort and using a Dr sooner. I'm fully DIYing it now but would think it a reasonable aspect of anti aging to have a professional for their inputs as well.
Might there be practicioners who offer a less then Dr-patient relationship having to follow their state board processes and they are non prescribing consultants?
Dear Dan: Thank you for your helpful advice above. One step further if you receive this. I hope you can give me a little direction. I'm female age 70. No meds and feel healthy. But had had no blood work for about 10 years. I exercise 6 days a week and havent had a cold for years and years. But, i quite having annual exams Because the best doctor I had retired..and have not found one since that really gives a crap really. I don't want to die a ignoramus because of not being proactive with health. Could you tell me what tests would be important for me to have at my age for anti cancer/anti aging. We dont have a good health village here, so I have to use a medicare advantage doctor. But if I could ask for certain tests and study the results myself and see what the tests might say, is that possible? Am I just not going to be able to do this because of my financial situation. As I read your advice above and some things are doable, (I think)..but to find a doctor that will prescribe metaform/senolytics, or NAD and then make sure my blood is up to correct standards from taking these, how do I know for sure. What are some good links to read about these anti-aging meds that won't scare me with side effects. I hope you receive and can guide me. Thank you kindly! If anyone else sees this, please feel to reply too!
Dear Age Reversal Enthusiast,
Complex, expensive problems must have sustainable infrastructure and government and (in case of living forever); even must have religious support.
Human age reversal is very complex. Lots of wise thinkers needed. Yet; humans are capable of many amazing things.
Start simple with a mission statement and an assignment.
Organized religion pro-death policy is too touchy; so leave that off for now.
There is no government led or sponsored human age-reversal mission or scheduled human life extension mission assigned with milestones, plan or statement at any government known for other governments or the USA to mimic.
Organized religion is mostly pretty much in the camp that humans are supposed to die as part and parcel to the will of God. Acceptance of death is common.
Accordingly; this movement to seek human immortality is most noble in that it seeks to achieve human race survival as humans face obsolescence relative to the introduction of super intelligent machines. In thinking about humans living forever; one has to include exactly what humans must solve to achieve the goal(s) of living forever.
There is no single human assigned to do the task.
No tasks; no mission; no assignment; no accountability.
That is where we are. it is situation awareness.
Interestingly; humans accept building AI super capable machines of war that kill humans; but, choose to ignore; they, themselves, may be targets of those machines.
It's also interesting to observe that one of the easiest things for AI to do is management decisions.
Peering into the future; it could be viable that the future holds a super intelligent machine as a national and/or global leader.
Currently, governments fail to recognize aging as a disease. However; they are demonstratively willing to invest $billions and collectively $trillions in AI based machines that can kill humans.
The COVID-19 pandemic is causing $trillions to be spent.
In this pandemic; $ trillions are being ineffectively invested. It's ineffective since some humans don't get vaccinated. Humans do their own risk assessment.
Organized religions still do the; "Everyone is supposed to die by design of God" spiel. That is true for the COVID-19 as well as aging and other disease passings. If one lives a long time and dies; it's typical for the officiating religious leader to say something like: "I didn't know him or her; but, this is what the scripture says."
On Earth; death is accepted by scriptures. It will be accepted on Mars and the Moon forward.
Puzzling to let past acceptance of death edict control future existence. Obviously, one has to be willing to think forward.
What to do?
In looking backward and/or current in life; it appears that no government organization or infrastructure or policy exist that was/is focused on keeping that individuals alive for 100's of years of quality, productive life span.
It appears that human health policy is patch, patch, patch to optimize profits vise cure and live exceptionally long; like in 100's of years.
So, we can look around for signs of some head of a nation really focused on seriously increasing human life span. Well, frankly; no nation has: credible policy; a budget; a funded management plan (with brenchmarks of 100, 200, 300, --- year human lifespans); or a focus on all the human resources required to reach scheduled milestones necessary to achieve human immortality. Sorry; zip; except for private sector.
One must keep a sense of humor. Like my urologist said when I asked him to adjust my hormones back to what they were when I was 20 years of age in order that I may I've longer and feel better (now).
Script for my live experience teestrostone shot request play: The urologist: "Why would you want that?" Me: "To achieve a significantly longer life span." The urologist: "Makes no sense; there would be too many people. The Earth couldn't support them. We are supposed to die." So finally; he agreed to get a testosterone test. I still haven't been given the results.
He is a decent guy; but, just doesn't see purpose. The failure to see purpose is part of the reason there is no Age-reversal Manhattan Project. Worse than the COVID-19 pandemic; the disease of aging is killing more; but, still ignored. The greater pandemic is human aging.
It is good and noble; that, so many in the "live longest life span" enthusiast group are actually researching, planning and funding and managing toward the end goal of actually significantly increasing human life span and reversing human aging.
However; with global warming predictions that the global reefs will stop growing in 10 years and the emergence of the Singularity soon thereafter; it appears that human survival is increasingly toast. Add in global warming? Utt Ohhh!
That observed; we individually and collectively must find a path to make ourselves heard well enough to cause a change in government priority of budget allocations which refocuses and gives identity via some sort of Reverse Aging Manhattan Project to seriously extend human life spans.
For fun; do some research on when the Singularity will occur. Take your own best guess and reverse engineer a management plan to achieve human immortality prior that predicted point in time.
Try to achieve human immortality prior the ten years from now when the global reefs are predicted to stop growing. Recognize that there are microcircuits that are radiation hardened; but, humans will never be radiation hardened.
Always plan fail safe; especially, if human life is on the line. Well? It is. Ours is.
Ha! Ha! The AI machines being built to function well and long on Mars will have far longer use lives; than, we punny humans that designed and built them.
Logically; if humans are to achieve use lives longer than AI machines; then; there has to be a hinge moment in credibly seeking human as well as planet environment survival.
Sorry; currently, all this data lacks concern and visibility at the top levels of all governments.
This observation is common sense; not whacko.
Do your own research.
Me thinks a political wing of the age-reversal.net is necessary?
Do what? educate, write policy; lobby; propose Acts; propose Executive Orders; propose and demand plans, budgets, reorganizations, resources, policies, etc.
What do you each and collectively think?
If a top priority Reverse Human Aging Manhattan Project expressively to achieve human life span extension for 100s of years cannot be thought; it can't happen.
So think deeply. Be encouraged.
For sure; a 20 year Afghanistan war could be carried on and funded and lives lost for good intention. $ trillions and some of the most treasured valiant humans' lives lost and thousands injured.
So is a catch phrase: "War on Aging" appropriate?
Humm? Not a peacenik here & not a hawk--just try to use brain.
Just think: we, individually and as a nation and global community of humans need to do some serious re-think on human life span increases and age reversal attainment and make some serious decisions in regard to survival of the human species.
Otherwise; we are toast.
Glycerinated end products are bad for us; especially, when we are individually and collectively; the toast.
Literally; the USA has enough nuclear arms to kill everyone on Earth over 1700 times; Russia has even more. Many other nations have capability IAW Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) policy.
Is not Mutually Assured Prosperity (MAP) better? Is not money spent better on human age reversal?
Toast has more than one route.
Humm? Maybe if humans could live to an average are of 200+ in great health; they would be more focused on staying alive longest?
Situational awareness: No USA (or other nation) national government human age reversal or human life span extension goal, organization, mission, policy, budgeting, planning, objectives, milestones; metrics, tasks, etc., exist as solely focused to achieve human life spans of 100's of years; and, no plan to achieve total disarmament exist.
The Singularity approaches and will continue to occur in phases and stages. Yep; it's in-process.
Do we sit and wait and yap? Or; do we do something politically?
Is a political wing of age-reversal.net wise?
If not; propose something better that recognizes the critical need for human age-reversal and seriously extending human life span, and; that, offers scheduled timely remedy in accordance with an approved, authenticated and authorized mission statement.
Add a schedule qualifier: "Before the coral reefs stop growing in ten years." Note: Some predict that the Singularity will occur in ten.
Use those predicted dates and create a mission and plan; etc. Reverse engineer what tasks, etc., that are needed to achieve time line goals and objectives.
Hinge moments in history are interesting & challenging.
We, individually, and collectively are in such a period. Hinge moment in history chaos.
Make your own guess. Pick a beginning date for a Human Ager Reversal "Manhattan Like" Project launch and a date for fully funded mission initiation, resources, infrastructure, and milestone dates; etc., at which humans can live longer than super intelligent machines. Then; establish all the policy, plans; etc., necessary to achieve human age reversal prior other key events discussed herein: e.g., the Singularity, global warming, nuclear war, the reefs ceasing to grow. Add in extension of species: including humans.
Yep: that is serious top political decision-making required.
Yep! Me thinks an age-reversal mission is overdue and has justification for top national prioritization equal to (in initiation) if not greater than COVID-19; because, COVID-19 is just a sub-task in the quest to extend human life span and reverse-human aging.
Mission wise, the Reverse Human Aging mission should correctly overarch the COVID-19 mission in the USA. It could best managed by dedicated "Manhattan Like" Project prior or in parallel to appointing a new Cabinet Member in the President's Cabinet.
Focus on achieving results; including political results that translate into urgent mission establishment and full funding. A long term budget.
There are two pandemics: COVID-19 and aging. Only one is being worked.
If, the aging pandemic isn't worked soon; humans will be working for super intelligent machines.
Do your own research on timelines and priority of need. There is an incredibly short period of time for mission accomplishment in a period of mulitple profound challenges.
So? There is need for a political wing of the age-reversal network?
Let's keep it simple to start with. No goals, no objectives, no projects, programs, etc; no task assignments organized, directed, funded, reported, shared, no budget; no one held accountable; no clear schedule; no metrics;---- How can anyone say we will achieve average ages of: 80; 90.100; ----500 years?
Not possible before the singularity---or---after it ---or---before Global warming wipes us out.
The new reality if we continue the way we are is grim. The mass murderer Putin isn't alone.
The problem is $ stove pipes and no collection or feed back relative to goals.
Yes; the USA government is to serve it's people.
Create and direct a mission. to reverse aging IAW a laid out time schedule. So carve out an immediate government budget. Cut out 2% of current health & research expenditures; promulgate a mission to reverse aging and increase human life spans. double the budget next year. triple it the next. Lay out the plan. Organize. Staff; get serious. List out tasks and subtask. make assignments broad and narrow. Get to work.
The reason there is no National Management Plan to Advance the US Citizen's Average Life Time Expectancy is failed national vision. Both the left and right politic are deaf and blind.
First observe that aging is a disease. Recognize that reversing aging is the best preventive measure. It is increasing all around human performance.
Recognize that since the pork barrel is more deep or shallow in some specific areas more than others. However; it gets back to basic management. Set priorities. Deliver results!
If there is no National imperative to actually deliver longer average life spans; than, there is no reason for a plan to get there. Pity that reality. Make changes. Fire; hire! Reorganize.
What every country has are stove pipe funding and stove pipe sporatic management with no national imperative or clear focus to actually deliver measurable results in accordance with a credible plan to get there. There must be organized human resources and infra-structure focused on achieveing the imperative of longer human life spans.
There is not.
Even the Communist fail.
Glory to the few efforts and heroes that seek infinite human life spans.
However; recognize that all politic has failed to even sell the imperative should be age reversal and longest life achievable by some promulgated plan clearly setting and measuring achievement and progress toward achievement of such long life average human life spans as suggested above.
Please observe; if humans don't figure out how to outlive their super intelligent machines; then; they will have to serve them--- soon.
Also note: super intelligent machines will design themserlves to live in a more harsh environment so they can space travel. Humans are a frail embodiment. Raise the global temperature 10 degrees; most people die off. no fight required there.
Think about that reality. The natural world is toast.
Looks like humanity wants to extinguish it's precious atmosphere.
Sorry; the militaries are already seeking & creating super intelligent machines to kill the enemy; the enemy are us: e.g.--humans?
Pogo said something like that. Yeah-- a stretch; but, seriously--we have to get serious. The USA spent a $trillion on it's most advanced fighter plan.
So where's the money to advance average human life span or to keep humans competive with their AI super capable machines?
So here we are toying all around the fact that there is no national plan to achieve longer average life spans for humans. Are we to ignore that there is no credible political left or right politic in regard to seriously extending average human life span?
Sorry: World War III isn't pro-increases in human life span.
Credible planning and mission assignment is the great political void. Are we to ignore the various dates predicted for the Singularity?
Does anyone really think there is no national emergency need to seriously increase average human life spans?
Simple observation is: if there are no government national goals and objectives set; there is no credible plan.
The US is spending $billions in Ukraine and that is good for freedom; but, it is blind when it comes to increasing the average human life span at any credible rate to schedule delivery match its quest to create super intelligent machines that will out compete and have far longer use lives; than, humans. Out kill humans? Really?
Where is the $billions and organization to manage and deliver longer human life spans? Where are the tax incentives to focus private investment and infrastructure needed?
So what to do? "P-s poor planning = p-s poor performance."
Maybe plan? Huh? So where is the mission assignment? Who is assigned?
Did I imagine a shout out for a credible plan? A mission assignment? A assigned person? A Presidential Cabinate position?
So now a budget. How about one $trillion spread over five years? $500 million seed money this year. Two $billion next year. Lay it out!
Apparently, the national imperative and priority is creation of super intelligent machines that have unlimited use lives and are upgradable in performance; but, we co9llectively fail to recognize that humans should receive top priority in achievement of ever increasing life spans and performance.
Hummm? Never listen to people that are too timid to succeed when it comes to staying alive.
Looks to me like the Age Reversal forum needs a political operative wing?
Good old American & international hustle; not, communism. Yes; there is a government role to play. So far; it isn't even on the field.
This isn't a MD - patient discussion. This is survival: longest.
Where is the politic that gets the mission assigned? Where is the plan?
The money is already there. That is just setting a percent or more from everyone's budget and axing it out.
So what inspires the will to live and vote to get human age reversal mainstream?
Keeping the Singularity in mind; we are already far behind schedule if we are to compete and dominate.
That is the real talk!
If not collectively us; then, who?
Any Manhatten like Project or Program would have periodic reviews of medical equipment as well as drugs, procedures, suppliments; etc., e.g. all existing and needed human life span and reverse aging equipment; including manufacuring technologies.
Presently; government spending is stove piped. That is a classical problem in large system of systems industry and/or government programs. Different Agencies, etc., are fundamentally bureaucratic islands. They don't share data or their progress.
This observation doesn't advocate overall control in the sense of a Communist approach; but, does recognize that the Manhattan Project to develop an atomic bomb did focus to meet mission objective. It has a leader. It has a mission; schedule, budget, resources; etc.
This recognizes that credibly delivering rapid progressive increases in human life span and reversing aging with goals of attaining: 100, 200; 300; etc., average years of human life takes some overarching of policy and control. The challenge is to catalyze a new focus and commitment from government and industry (including equipment creators and users) as needed to advance human age reversal and seriously deliver longer human life spans: NOW.
Observations of the need to make reverse-aging and human life span increases a national priority come from recognition that life span goals of living: 100; 200; 300; etc., years are not in any government plan or program.
If goals; objectives; milestones; funded budgets; ---etc., don't exist; then; equipment advances necessary to achieve timely mission success won't happen in a credible schedule to achieve program milestones.
For example: an artificial womb would save a lot of mothers' lives as well as those of the fotus, fetus, unborn.
An artificial womb is just one example of equipment needed to increase human life spans.
Like it or not; CRISPER technologies are another area of equipment advances needed.
Currently; achievement of human age reversal is still a dream for the average person; it's not affordable and many would have religious based objection to it.
However; we must recognize; that, a 1.5 degree increase in global temperature is now predicted to occur in 5 years.
Additionally; one could argue that some military weapon systems can already track and kill humans automatically once set up.
The Singularity is fast approaching. Fact by your own research.
So; out of any reader's own curiosity; pick a schedule point in time forward for successful human age reversal attainment; e.g., 5, 10, 20; etc., years from now.
Like in Dick and Jane can have and afford it.
Lay out a list of equipments and tasks as necessary to achieve the objective of human age reversal by your own determined accomplishment date.
I predict that you will come to the conclusion that given existing government and industry focus and funding; you cannot achieve the human age reversal or average human life span increases objectives before one or more of the following occurs: global warming past the point of no return; nuclear war (WWIII); the Singularity.
Point being that we must wake up to reality.
Simply put: age reversal and increasing human life spans must be a clear national priority and a Manhatten like Project is overdue.
That effort needs new; yet, unimagined equipment to achieve deliverable human anti-aging and life span results before humans kill themelves off.
In observation: the reason that one cannot net search age reversal equipments for a comprehensive list of equipments needed to: research, produce, manufacture, test, calibrate, verify, validate, support; achieve human reverse aging in years 2022; 2023, ---3000; is; because, there is "no" government program or dedicated mission to achieve that goal.---there isn't even clear mission assignment or a person clearly selected, appointed or assigned.
The US President just sent $50 billion to Ukraine.
Why didn't he send $1 billioin or more to human age-reversal? Why didn't all other Presidents fund human age reversal?
Not playing left ot right politic; just observing an unrecognized need.
Maybe we need to DRAFT a Presidential Executive Order to Establish an Age-Reversal Program Czar To lay out, execute and achieve a roadmap and program (including budget) for the President to sign and promulgate? Logically, such an effort needs organization, resources; funding; planning; etc? Yes; it needs an equipment list and program manager working under the Human Age Reversal Czar.